S1 E9&10 - The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances

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Sep 14, 2023

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All right. Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Doctor Who with a question

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mark, stupid name. I'm Josh and with me as always is my co-host Jack. How are you JP?

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I'm all good. Thank you. How about yourself, Josh?

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Very good. Thank you, mate. I'm very good. We've just knocked back a two-parter. We're

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going to do it all in one. The doctor dances in the unquiet bed. Just before we jump in,

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thanks to everybody that's engaging with us on the socials as usual. We really appreciate

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it. We're watching our likes go up every week. We're watching our, uh, our, our listens go

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up every week. Our followers, TikTok still booming. We've now started a fantasy football

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league, which I know nothing about or how to do or anything. So maybe Jack, you could

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shed a bit more light on that. Yeah, no, of course. Um, so some of you guys today is recording

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as of the ninth of August, by the way, happy doctor who podcast day, 2023. Oh, yes. Yes.

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Yeah. I know. The best day, the best day to record. Um, we have started just to celebrate

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the start of the premier league. Um, we're not sure if you guys, you know, if it's something

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you guys would be interested in, but if you are, uh, check out, tick tock, check out Instagram,

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check out Twitter or X as it's now called. Um, we've started a fantasy football league.

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Um, just as a bit of a kind of a community thing, um, myself, Josh and Brad, we're all

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in there and we have said that the winner of the fantasy league at the end of next year,

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kind of this season, um, we will offer them the chance to appear as a guest on the podcast.

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Yep. So as I said, check out the social medias for the details and the link and how to join

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the league. Um, please do try and make the funniest doctor who name, you know, it doesn't

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have to necessarily be doctor who relevant. Um, but you know, we've, we've made it as

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a doctor who, uh, thing league. Um, and also for you very, very, very, very sharp ear listeners,

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you may have just spotted the first kind of test that we actually put in this podcast

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where Josh, Josh actually said that we're reviewing the unquite dead instead of the

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empty child and the doctor dances. So, uh, my notes and miles off could pick up to be

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fair. Yeah. I put Dr. Tarszola. Yeah. One of us, one of us is recording at half past

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seven in the evening and one of us is recording recording at half past 10. I'll let you guess

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which one's which.

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Yeah. It's going to be, uh, it's going to be an interesting recording session, but yeah,

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thanks guys. Get involved in the, uh, in the fantasy football league. It is yes, as you

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mentioned as well as Dr. Who podcast day, we actually missed out on the round table

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because, um, well I was asleep. Um, so yeah, we missed out on that.

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As you were working, but yeah, we released a bonus episode. We recorded with Raquel, uh,

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that went live today. So we hope you guys like that. We'll definitely be looking at

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getting more guests on obviously with the winner of the stupid fantasy football thing

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that we're doing now. But, uh, anyway, enough of that JP, what did you think of Dr. Dances

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and the empty child?

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Interesting. Um, I've got to say, I actually think that the, um, the empty child was better

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than the doctor dances.

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Uh, which one's which?

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So the empty child's the first episode, episode nine. Yeah. And the doctor dances is episode

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10.

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And you preferred the first one.

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Preferred the first one, but I actually, there was a certain thing I really, really liked

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about the, uh, the doctor dances that I thought actually outdid the episode one.

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Was it all the casual sex references?

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Not really. Well, kind of, I guess it was the whole kind of thing with the doctor dancing.

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I just really like, I know it's, it's in the title, but I just really liked it. It was,

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um, yeah, we'll, we'll get there when we get there, but no, two very, very interesting

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episodes combined together to make a very good story. I'm not sure why they did a two

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parter in the middle of, well, I say kind of in the middle of the, you know, the season.

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I know we're getting towards the end of the season, but I'm not sure why they put a two

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parter here. Any insights all on that? Or?

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No, nothing to be fair. I mean, I've said it a couple of times throughout this podcast.

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I don't think there's enough story for these two partners. I really don't. Epis like the

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first one, the, the, the, the, the, the empty child, my God, I found that quite a slog to

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be fair. I did. Normally I do these back to back as well. I'll just bang out the two parties.

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I had to wait a day. I was like, I can't, I just don't have the attention span for it.

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So I just, I mean, I don't know why they put the two part in. I think as I mentioned last

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week, this is like regarded as one of the best Dr. Who stories of all time. And it's

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written by Steven Moffat, who is, or who goes on, he writes a numerous amount of stories

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over the next couple of seasons. Then he takes over from Russell as the show runner. And

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I'm just going to say, fuck me. Is it a very Moffatty episode? I mean, you've, you haven't

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experienced this yet, but all of the gay references throughout it is very Moffat and very, very

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strange. It's a very gay episode. I don't mean that negatively. There's just, there's

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a lot of homosexual and pansexual things littered throughout it. And Moffat has this

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sort of witty, fast paced dialogue. And I was just like, my God, like, we should have

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seen this coming. This is, there's one scene in particular we'll talk about later. That's

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just, I was just sat there thinking, oh my God, this is exactly like how every single

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episode plays out after a few series. So very Moffatty. But yeah, do you want to jump in

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with your notes JP? Like initial reactions? Where do you want to start mate?

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No, let's just go chronologically. I think that's the best way to do this. Because it's,

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I mean, I get what you're saying about, it does feel like they did stretch out the story.

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I think that's probably why I preferred the first episode to the second episode, because

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it felt like there was too much story for one episode, but not quite enough for two,

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if that makes sense.

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Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But yeah, but let's jump in chronologically. So the very, very first note that I've put

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on there is Moffatty is the universally recognized color for danger and red is camp. I mean,

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I just, yeah, I did. You know what, when, when I was watching Dr. Stranger, the Multiverse

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of Madness, and they make a point of saying about, oh, people go on red.

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Oh yeah, the traffic light.

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The traffic lights. Yeah. Thinking about it, actually, what, why is red our sign for danger?

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Yeah, I mean, but like, he just, it was just one of those things that just caught me off

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guard so early in the, you know, kind of in the episode, I was just like, Oh, actually

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that's a fair point. What, what is there to stop Moff being the, the color for danger?

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You know, I mean, all right, red alert sounds a lot more, you know, rolls off the tongue

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a bit better. And yeah, yeah, it just doesn't roll. But like still though, I was just like,

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oh, okay, fair enough.

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No, you're right. And that is like, again, I'm going to probably bring this up with every

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single night, but that's an exceptionally Moff acting to do is to take something that

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is absolutely normal and just put this twist on it. And yeah, fair play. It does make sense.

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Like maybe it is a really localized thing that we just decided that red is bad. Whereas

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red and you could argue red is the cover is the color of love and it's a warming color

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and it's embracing color. Like, yeah, you're right. We have red blood flowing through our

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bodies. Why, why is it considered dangerous? But yeah, flipping that very, very Moffatty.

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Maybe I'm tainted by all of the, all of the Moffat twists that he puts in his future things,

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because I was just, I was like, oh, did you have to do that? Does it matter? Why? Moe,

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red? I don't know. What color is Moe? Like purple?

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Yeah. It's like a purpley color.

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Basically red anyway. Do you know what I mean?

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Is it? I mean, you are colorblind in fairness.

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I have colorblind in fairness. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But then, yeah. And then

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to say red is camp as well. Like it fascinates me because Russell is homosexual and Steven

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Moffat is straight and he's married and he, but he's, it's like, he's a closeted homosexual.

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There's so many. And again, I'm not saying this in a negative way, not at all. I'm just

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fascinated at how obsessed he is with littering through this. And I'm putting this in air

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voice, but this woke agenda, because this is quite a woke episode with Captain Jack.

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And you know, you've got the, the, the, the, uh, the person whose house it is when he's

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hiding in the bunker and then he's having an affair with the butcher. Like littered

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throughout and the military general, whatever it is, maybe, I don't know, man, it's just,

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just threw me. I was just like, wow. But it's very Moffat, very Moffat, but very won't.

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No, it's interesting. Yeah. I mean, a lot of my notes for would just be laughing at

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kind of comments that were made throughout the episode, which just again, caught me off

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guard. And now that makes sense. Actually the kind of listening, what you, what you

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stay in there about the way that you have Steven Moffat actually writes and everything,

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but that actually makes sense. He writes stuff to just kind of make you think twice about

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things. Yeah. Well that's yeah, that's Moffat in a nutshell. Absolutely. Yeah. Which, which

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I really like. I really like now, um, talking of kind of looking at things in a different

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perspective. Um, one of the, the first things that I kind of clocked with the doctor is

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the doctor saying everything's totally fine. And there's just explosions just going off

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all in this artist, which again, just made me chuckle. I was just like, it's, I know

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the doctor isn't British. He's, you know, he's not even from Earth, but that's such

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a British thing to be doing. You know, when someone asks you when you're at work and someone

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says, Oh, how are you doing? You're like, yeah, good. Mate. Literally could have like

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burnt down, you know, well, what three could be at the door. The plague could be in town

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and you just like, yeah, how about yourself? I just loved it. I was just like, yeah, okay.

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Yeah. I see that. I see that. Is that also a sort of toxic masculinity trait as well?

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I think, right. It'd be interesting to get a female because I think it is, you know,

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I think it is especially with regards to a vehicle as well. It's the whole thing. Like

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a man won't stop and ask for directions. They'll just bow through. But like, yeah, I don't

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know. Like, you know, I've had some dodgy cars over the years and I've been like, Oh,

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the window's falling down. Yes. Fine. I'll just hold it up. It's fine. It doesn't matter.

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It's raining now. Yeah, I know. Cause you're, you're one of your cars burnt my foot while

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I was sitting in it through an exposed wire that we found in the, uh, in the footwell.

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Yeah. I had a little fuse hanging out on the glove compartment on the back of the seat.

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It's just a wire. And that's fine. I know. I mean, what's a car journey if you don't

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set your foot a light once, you know, it did melt your shoe. Didn't it? That was absolutely

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ridiculous. It became a limited edition trailer. You know, there was no other trainer like

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it, but again, it was fine. Whereas, you know, my girlfriend, Laura, if that had happened

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in her car, she'd be like, no, I'm taking it to the shop immediately. Like there's no

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way that she would just power on through that. So that's just another sort of interesting

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sort of, uh, acid. Is it toxic masculinity? Is it Britishness? I don't know, but you're

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right. Exactly. Exactly. So of course it did make me laugh because they're chasing what

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we find out to be a bit of kind of just God. Well, it's not garbage. It's an ambulance,

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but at the time you're not sure what it is and everything like that. And he just really

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made me laugh. It just reminded me of kind of like a GTA police chase, you know, five

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star where he's just in the space of his just in front of the TARDIS and the TARDIS is struggling

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to keep up. And it's just like, you know, I mean, we don't get it really in the UK where

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you get like a live police chase in America. It's a thing, isn't it? Where they follow

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a police chase with a helicopter. We don't get out of it, but you know, it kind of once

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felt a bit like that. You know, you're waiting to see what happens. And then suddenly it

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goes out and you're like, right, where's it gone? What's it done? And you just wait. And

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then the doctor and Rose kind of come into London. You're like, right, where is it? Are

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we going to see it? Not. It just adds to that little bit of tension, which I quite liked

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actually. Now talking to Rose, do you reckon Rose had seen the Spice Girls?

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I mean, it's such a funny and on the nose sort of costume change as well. Like she wouldn't

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have worn it in any other episode unless she was going to be dangled in the blitz. Like,

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oh yeah, for sure, for sure. And the funny thing is, is because the doctor actually made

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a comment funny enough in the, in episode three about, oh, I can't believe you're wearing

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that, you know, as if to say, I, you're not going to blend in. And then she's wearing

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this, you know, kind of big old Union Jack t-shirt, which I like, by the way, I think

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it's a cool looking t-shirt, but it was just so light, as you say, just on the nose, which

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really, really made me chuckle.

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Yeah. No, yeah. She did look quite fit in this. She was strangely sort of, I was weirdly

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attracted to her in this episode. But yeah, Union Jack t-shirt, brilliant, iconic look

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as well. Absolutely iconic look.

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Yeah. Hey, look, it worked for the Spice Girls. It worked for Doctor Who, you know, that's

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it.

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I go and buy myself one. Yeah, exactly.

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I was going to say, if you've got to make a statement at work or at home or, you know,

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wherever you want to make a statement, just go buy yourself a big old Union Jack dress

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or t-shirt and let the, let the lights come rolling in. I'm glad the psychic paper was

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back. I love the psychic paper.

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Oh yeah, it does come back, didn't it? Yeah. It comes back twice in this episode, actually.

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It does actually, yes, because it also comes back with Captain Jack as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. I like that whole scene of him in the, what would

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you call it? The sort of underground smoking club, I think. My first reaction there. Well,

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I guess so, but is it? Yeah, I guess so. Actually got like a Gatsby era sort of pub. But I was

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trying, cause again, you never see people smoke on the telly anymore. I know Netflix

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released a, released a rule or maybe a law was put in place on them where like you're

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only allowed a certain amount of cigarettes per series or per stream nowadays or something

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like that. And it has to be like era dependent as well. But I was like, oh shit, there's

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and they're like proper smokers as though it's not even none of that fake shit. I was

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like, Oh, never see this. Yeah. What a little,

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Yeah. It's an interesting one, isn't it? You know, because again, I can't remember when

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they bought in the ban for indoor smoke. But of course up until then, all right, people

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knew that smoking was bad, but there was, it was still acceptable to smoke indoors.

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Yeah, exactly. It was just seen as just something you did in the pub. That was it. You just

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drank the new smoke and that was it. I mean, I still can't get over the fact that people

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used to be out smoking airplanes, but that,

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It's mad, isn't it? It's absolutely mad.

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Yeah. But you know, but yeah, no, I get what you mean, especially on the BBC as well. But

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then, you know, then again, you, you look at, you know, kind of only fools and horses.

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his character. And I've got no idea. Sir David Jason actually, you know, just kind of between

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takes and everything actually smoke the cigar, but that was part of the character. And I

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know that nowadays, I mean, Sylvia Murphy had an interesting, cause of course he's,

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he just seems to play a smoker, doesn't he?

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He does, yeah.

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But probably Scarecrow, Batman Begins or yeah, all of Batman films. He doesn't, you know,

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he played, oh, who was the guy's name that was peaking behind as he played? I can't remember

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now.

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Oh, I don't know. I've never actually seen it.

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Oh, actually that's a lie. I started watching episode one and I swear to God, could not

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understand a word they were saying. I had subtitles on and then I was just about getting

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it, but I couldn't distinguish between who was talking. So I couldn't commit to it.

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So any of our Midlands viewers or listeners, we're very sorry that Josh can't understand

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you. Please don't leave a voice. Please leave all the voice notes in the world. And yeah,

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no, I can't remember who he plays. And then of course he was playing in Oppenheimer as

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well and you know, and everything like that. But, but he, I remember I saw an article online

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and he was like, I'm done playing smokers. He's like, I spoke. He's like, it's pretty

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weird. It's like herbal things. They said, I actually do smoke, but it's just like, and

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I spoke in paper or something, but he's like, yeah, no, just a little tangent. We've got

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this guy at work, friends. He's a, he's Filipino. And this one day he just sent me like four

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voice notes. And then he came up to me and was like, bro, can you, can you translate?

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I can't understand what she's saying. And it was just the most English accent you've

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ever heard. He was like, I just can't comprehend it. So now I get like three or four voice

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notes from him a day. Would you mind just translating this for me, please? I'm like,

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yes. Okay. This is how I feel with the Birmingham accent. I was going to say you are the bloke

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with the dog in hot fuss. That's it. You're literally just there at work. Oh, we don't

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need the dog. It's not the dog we need. It's just Josh we need instead. But that is what

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all Burmese, that's what all Brummies sound like to me. They just sound like that old

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man from hot fuss. You just, you've been out of the country too long. You need to come

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back.

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Anyway, so yeah, psychic paper comes back and then he makes, so he says, I'm looking

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for something that's fallen from the sky, probably made a layout back and everyone starts

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laughing. I thought, Oh, would people be laughing at that whilst the blitz is happening? Do

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you think?

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You reckon?

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It's the British spirit, mate. It is just British spirit.

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You know, it's a bit like making a Holocaust joke as the Jews go in the shower.

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No, no, no, no, no. Cause it's, it's, that is different. You know, it's, it's something

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that's, it's a whole misery thing. You're not like a kind of a British thing. Like,

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you know, you get caught in the rain with that umbrella or a coat and you turn around

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to the bloke at the bus stop next to you that's waiting in the pouring rain. You go great

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weather for ducks, isn't it mate? And then you have a little chuckle and then you just

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know it's a British thing. And you've never done that before.

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No, cause I'm, I didn't live through world war two, but it's, it's that British kind

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of spirit. And you know, I mean, I'm trying to think of an example of something I've actually

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done. Um, I don't know really, there's, there's been loads of stuff that you just, well, actually

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I could think of what I'll tell you off there, but, um, it's just, yeah, uh, it's just a

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British, it's a British spirit that you kind of, you make a joke of the situation, you

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make light of it and it makes the situation just a little bit more bearable, which I really

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like. And the, you know, there's a, there's a, another, uh, there's a line later on in

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the episode where he says, where the doctor says about the, this damp little Island stands

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up to Hitler. And it's just like, yeah, that was a cool bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

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just the British spirit. And of course that's then kind of, kind of, um, grown on in episode

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two as well where Rose is talking, um, uh, talking later in, in, in episode two, but,

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um, the interesting thing, there, there are two distinct ways of going about kind of solving

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a situation. You've got the way that the doctor did it. And then the way that Rose went to

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deal with it in what sense? Well, the doctor just says, I'm going to ask around because

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of course the doctor doesn't know where he is or anything like that. But the doctor just

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says, I'll just ask. Of course he doesn't know that he's involved or two and things

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are falling from the sky the entire time. But let's be real. If he landed today and

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something fell from the sky, you'd be pretty sure that people would know about it and would

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be able to, you know, and it was only just an inconvenience that they ended up in the,

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you know, 1941, but a very interesting line that came up again. Um, Rose says that's not

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very Spock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here there's a lot of star trek, my friends, isn't this?

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You know, the, the nano genes that were in it, they were originally supposed to be called

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nanites, but that got blocked because it was either that's either a thing in star trek

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or it was too similar to a thing in star trek. So they had to change it to nano genes, but

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I love that whole sort of comparison between, I think this is why I prefer the second episode

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to the first is because that dynamic between Jack and the doctor, which is alluded to in

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that first episode where Rose is comparing them as old fashioned, let's go around talking

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and finding out compared to Jack's, let's scan for alien tech. All of that. That's,

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that's really fascinating. I absolutely love that. And it, and I also love the fact that

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that's quite American versus Britain as well, to be fair. Yeah, no, I get that. I get that.

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And that is kind of built on later. Um, in episode two, like in the second episode with

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the, uh, with the whole, um, it would, would they call it a sort of Sonic the Sonic gun?

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Sonic blaster versus Sonic Sonic. Yeah. And he's the doctor's like embarrassed to admit

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it's called the Sonic screwdriver. Fucking brilliant. Yeah. Which, you know, I really,

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really like, um, but, um, but yeah, so yeah, that whole interaction with Jack and the doctor

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is fucking awesome. And without spoiling anything, Jack may or may not interact with some things

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future doctors and he's known like his relationship with one other doctor is sort of like the

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relationship. But I think people forget how good Jack and the doctor are specifically

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in that second episode when they're literally dick measuring with like the screwdriver and

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the blaster. And then there's a banana as I was cracking up. That was absolutely brilliant.

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Well, it was interesting because I actually thought when, when, when he was first introduced,

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um, I, I was like, Oh, he seems actually a bit of a dog, you know, kind of looking at

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the next episode and these souls I said on the podcast in on there, I said, Oh, um, it

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looks like, you know, he's that another doctor and I'm like, Oh, could be another doctor.

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And then kind of the first couple of lines of dialects and everything like that. I'm

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like, actually he seems like a bit of a dodgy guy. And then he, and then he, of course he

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has the conversation with Rose and they stand on top of the spaceship. And then I'm like,

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Oh no, actually he seems like an all right guy. He seems like a genuine kind of time.

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And then it's just, he, but like, he betrays me, the audience, Rose, the doctor, and I'm

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like, I'm dude, but he redeems himself. He redeems himself at the end. Yeah. I actually

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had a note sort of halfway through that second episode. I was like, another bad companion.

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We've got another bad companion. And I couldn't remember how the episode ended, but obviously

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know that Jack forms a relationship with the doctor. I was like, again, why does the doctor

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have to forgive Jack? Like what are you so flip? But then I was like, okay, it's because

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Jack redeems himself at the end. Fair enough. Yeah. Talking of your, uh, your second doctor

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theory, though, did you shit yourself a little bit of the bit where Nancy goes to the doctor,

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go into that hospital and speak with the doctor. Did you, did you say, even I was watching,

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I thought I bet Jack's so gassed right now. I was like, Oh no, I was like, I've got it.

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I've got it. Cause again, like after that happened, he like kind of after the conversation

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where it turns out that Captain Jackie isn't actually a true like time traveler and everything

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like that. I was like, Oh, and then she's just like, yeah, go to the hospital and talk

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to the doctor. And I was like, wait a minute. Oh no, no, no minute. But yeah, a couple of

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notes. I just going back to Rose, of course meets, meets Captain Jack. Um, I mean, of

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course we get the first look at the, at the child wherever where she's like, where the

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child's up on the, on the rooftop. Creepy as fuck. Oh man. I'll tell you what I got

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to say. He's a, he's a kid that would have terrified you. Yeah, exactly. With the gas

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mask and everything like that. But it's, I mean, damn, it's just quickly. What is that

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child doing on that rooftop? That doesn't make any narrative sense, but he knows how

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to find Nancy though. No, he's looking for her. He can't fight. He's trying to locate

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her, but you know, what'd you do when you, when you look at the same where you go to

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the high ground and you, you look around. He's not Obi-Wan Kenobi for fuck's sake. He

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doesn't know this. He's a smart kid. He's a smart kid. He's a fucking moron. But anyway,

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go on. So yeah, so that was it. Um, and then of course Rose decides to, to climb up a barrage

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balloon and to try and get to the kid. I mean, that was my reaction as well, because one

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thing is barrage balloons do not have, or did not have rope on them. It was wire because

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the whole point of the barrage balloon was to stop a dive bomber by going down because

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it would cut its wings with the riot. It's all just, oh, that really hurts me. That did

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just, yeah. Why would you climb up a barrage balloon? Do you not just look up? Oh dear.

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And I mean, we all, you know, I just, I just put the thing, because again, I've recently

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rewatched Guardians of the Galaxy and then I just, I just put I'm Mary Poppins y'all

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because that's where she's going up. Again, that bit is such nonsense. And then she's,

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so again, okay. I did like the fact that her gymnastics came back from episode one. I thought

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that was quite a good, it was a gymnastics. It was superhuman ability. She was up there

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for like an hour, but that's a good callback to when she was swinging on the ax. Okay.

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I was like, yeah, this is farfetched, but at least they've laid some groundwork for

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this. Like now it makes sense why that seeds in the first episode. But yeah, I mean, she

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climbs up this rope, which shouldn't be a rope. She doesn't look up and see that it's

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clearly attached to a blimp. She then, it then just untethers itself because it just

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does. And then all of it, like literally a second later, she's then fucking, you know,

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higher than big bed and St. Paul's cathedral and she's floating around and oh God, it's

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moments like that. I think stay in my head and let these episodes down for me. I don't

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know. I mean, again, it's, it's something that hurts me, but I wouldn't have said it

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was something that would have completely ruined the episode. I don't think I've had, not like

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a thing of any way. Maybe if listening back, I probably have had something that, you know,

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kind of, well, the ending of the episode of, of Dalek, but I don't think I've had something

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like that. That's ruined an episode for me. Yeah. All right. It's, it's an annoyance,

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but it's not something that I would consider, you know, kind of the bill or the end. You

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know what I mean? Although saying that Rose wasn't the person that took the biggest risk

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there and then the doctor was because he picked up a random cat in an alleyway and did not

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get clawed to death. I mean, fair play to it. Cause I love cats and I like to think

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the cats like me, but I would not pick up a random cat. Yeah. Fair play. That's pretty

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brave. Brave for the doctor there. The bright, the brightest man in London. Yeah. I got tricked

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by cat just the other day. It came up sort of rubbed against me. What clearly wanted

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to rub just to get out on the streets. I'm rubbing his back on his back. It rolls over

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and it's like, Oh, go for the belly. Go for the belly rookie mistake. I went for the belly

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and then my hand came up and it'll be like, I put it in a shred of a little shit. So I

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had to kick it into the road and watch him get run over. Oh, that's not why I said it

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kind of story to content. We, we just, I just felt us lose like 10 followers. Just there.

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Yeah. I've got to clarify that that was a joke. Otherwise I will get, um, talking to

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the difference. Um, interesting that the doctor, um, of course, Nancy comes up to the doctor

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doctor goes back to the TARDIS. He's like, Oh, Rose has gone, everything like that. I'll

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wait for her and do that. And the phone on the outside starts ringing. Yeah. I mean,

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doctor who history apparently really interested, interested. I mean, it would make sense because

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it's technically not connected to the world that it's in. It's connected to the TARDIS,

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but not through the ground. You know, if that makes sense. Yeah. And Nancy says, don't answer

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that. And what I've really liked about the doctor there and then is the doctor asks why

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he doesn't just go, well, I'm the doctor. I've been to everywhere and I've been there

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more places that you can ever been. You know, you're in 1941. You're not going to know anything

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about technology. I'm answering it. He asks her why, because he uses her experience and

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her knowledge at the time there and then. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I have it at

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all. God, if you ever go to a place that you don't know, you know, or, you know, you see

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people all the time and they go up to Everest or anything like that. They'll always use

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a Sherpa that knows the local area and has local knowledge. Yeah. I just really like

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that. You know, it's instead of thinking about a place and having local knowledge, you know,

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it's time as well. Time is a, you know, which was a really, really interesting point. And

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I really, really liked that for, you know, kind of character progression of the doctor.

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Yeah, exactly. And again, it's the big difference between him and Jack is he's going around

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and using this local knowledge and Jack is not. And I think that's most evidence when

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he steals the ambulance and he's like, oh, it was empty. I swear it was empty. It's not

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me. And then the doctor, I know it's got the nanogenes in it. You stupid twat. Like, what

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are you doing? And if he'd have just asked around, like the doctor would have, he would

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have known that. Exactly. Now, talking of stupid twats, of course, we then cut to.

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Brad's not joining this episode. Yeah. Yeah. We then cut to capture Jack, of course, in

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what I'm assuming is some kind of officer's mess hall in London.

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Oh, with the best opening line of any character. Just excellent bottom. I love it. I love it.

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I mean, that's incredible. I just, I'm not sure. I mean, I get it that they kind of wreck

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on it, but they kind of go back and show that he just says that about everyone. But would

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that, I mean, what that had in their base? Yeah. Would that have made it out of the writing

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is the question. I don't know. I really, really don't know. And listen, like I love Captain

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Jack as a character. There's a few behind the scenes. I think John Barrowman, the actor

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has recently been canceled. So, you know, that's him. Yeah. Whatever. Let him do him

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behind the scenes. Captain Jack is a fucking awesome character. Yeah. Apparently he's been

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canceled recently because he was like, he'd run around the set and he'd moon the other

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actors and he'd be really flirty with the other doctors. And I don't know. He's been

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canceled retrospectively, but he's a fucking brilliant character and he's a flirt. I don't

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know if he would get away with it nowadays, to be fair, but that's like, I mean, that's

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happening on Andoff City. That's what I mean. Even the on screen stuff, the excellent bottom,

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which is in a kid's show, someone is saying nice ass. Like that is what's happening. That's

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a fact. It wouldn't happen nowadays. Like, no, it's a different time.

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And I get that they kind of, I get why they put it in because they want to show that he's

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a bit of a bit of a playboy, you know, flies by the seat of his pants, you know, tally

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ho chaps. I'm just going to do whatever, which I get, but I just feel like that was probably

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other ways they could have shown that. I mean, don't get me wrong. I just thought it was

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funny. And as I said, they kind of retcon it further down the line with him, you know,

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kind of just flirting with everything. The moves really, which I just, I love it. I'm

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not saying it makes the most animated acceptable, but still just, it was just kind of like,

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you could tell that people were getting ready to go. Oh, well, you know, you've not made

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it. Wait a minute. He's doing it for everything. So it just, I don't know. It's just character

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development, but I'm not sure it's character development that maybe would have flown now.

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But I mean, who knows? Who knows? It made me laugh anyway. So of course we then go to

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Nancy, Nancy and the kids. And I mean, she gets it every nook and cranny in the house,

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I mean, like she's playing Skyrim. She just goes in the house and that house is empty.

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She loses the shit out of that house. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. She really does. Yeah.

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So yeah, Nancy, what do you think of her as a character? Interesting. There is a point

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I made kind of later in, you know, I think it was episode two, actually. It was. Why?

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I never get this. I know. Well, I do get it because it kind of drags out the story a little

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bit and adds a bit of tension. But why the characters never tell the full story? Oh,

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mate, it's so annoying. I call it a post-it problem where everything could be resolved

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if you just wrote a little note on a post-it and that would solve everything. It's so infuriating.

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Did you see the twist come in? I kind of did, but then I kind of didn't because to me, I

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don't know if this is where I'm just getting old now. You know, I'm old at the ripe old

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age of 25. I didn't think she looked old enough to be a mum. Yeah. Well, there you go. She

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was actually at the time of recording, she was 20. So technically, yeah, she was old

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enough. Well, no, because the kid, yeah, I suppose. Yeah, the kid was five. Yeah, the

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kid was five. The kid was four or five then. But yeah, that was the only thing that threw

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me off. I was like, oh no, she's far too young. To me, she almost looked like Wendy out of

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Peter Pan, you know, the kind of the older sister that's in charge because she's older

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and she's more sensible, a little bit more experienced, that kind of thing, rather than,

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oh, she's an actual mum. And it was an interesting plot. Yeah, it was an interesting twist, to

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be honest. Yeah, again, very motha-y. I mean, she's a good character. I don't really have

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too much to say about her. Like, she's there for the plot. That's pretty much it. She's

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a, again, mate, I'm coming back to it, but she's a very motha-y character. There's that

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moment where she gets caught raiding the house and that entire scene, my God, like just her

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flipping it, her witty remarks, him then turning out to be the one that was gay. Like, that

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is so Steven motha. It is absolutely unbelievable. Like, if you want to hint as to what happens

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in Moffat and Peter Capaldi's era, it's that scene. Like, that is the most motha-y scene.

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We've got to try and remember that when we get round to it because that scene happens

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about 10 times per episode in Steven Moffat's era.

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Yeah, no, it was interesting. It was interesting. Almost as interesting as they're all set round

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the table, right? All the children are set round the table. That's what the era is going

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on. You're going to talk about Batman Doctor.

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Batman Doctor. We need to bring up Batman Doctor because you're a child, you're sat

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there, you're in the middle of an air raid, so you've got to keep an eye out anyway because

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you're in someone else's house. You're all set round the table, so technically you should

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have a 360 degree view. And Batman, sorry, the Doctor manages to just sneak up on the

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table. No noise whatsoever. No child goes, hold on a minute, who's this man? I mean,

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I'm not sure he's playing a game. Maybe he was on the ceiling. He just dropped down from

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the ceiling. Yeah, again, it's just little things like

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that. This episode is not as good as everybody says it is, I think.

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He made up for it with his absolutely incredible drawing. It reminded me, do you remember that

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kind of phase that everyone went through with, what was it called, draw with friends? You

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know, where you'd be given a thing and then it was like, oh, you have to draw this. You

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