S1 E12&13 - Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways

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Sep 14, 2023

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All right. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the final episode of Doctor Who, which has

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been renamed Doc Who Pods, so we're easier to find on your local podcast catcher. I'm

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Josh and with me as always is my co-host JP.

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Hi there.

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And potentially in the background, we have got Bradley Fuller, who might be, you might

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be hearing, right?

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Yeah, exactly. So, Brad and I, I don't know if you've said this on previous podcasts,

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but Bradley and I have, we're moving into a house. At the moment, we're redecorating,

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so I've got to apologize now for any swear words, loud noises, anything like that, because

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I will be painting at some point in the background as well. And I'm painting a white skirt and

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balled onto a grey wall. So yeah, so many swear words have been said. I can see Brad

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laughing in the background right now. So, when you're coming on? Oh, the radio silence.

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Honestly, if Mr's at home, he will be on for next season. I think the plan is season two,

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when we go to season two, I think he's going to, I think he's going to join us for season

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two.

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Well, I'm sure all our listeners will be very happy that you two are finally taking the

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plunge and moving in with each other. They've been in the closet for a while, so I'm glad

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that they're coming out, it was live on air. But, it's cause you lose, you know, cause

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you lose, you just got to do it. You just got to split the bills in half. It was cheaper

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than getting a pet room.

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Well, anyway, we've got a long two-parter ahead of us. It's 11 o'clock PM where I'm

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recording, so I'm absolutely shattered. This will probably be incoherent. Without further

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ado, JP, shall we crack on?

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I reckon it's bash on.

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All right, so we'll run through it chronologically again. I've got a shit ton of notes on this,

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to be fair. So JP, I'll let you take the wheel for this episode. Fire away.

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Yeah, that was saying, I've got a lot of notes on these, just as an overall thing. I definitely

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enjoyed the two episodes. I thought they were a good way to kind of finish the season. Although

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I know as well as Scarlet Free, there's also a Christmas special as well. But no, it was

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really, really good. So the first thing is you cut straight away, the doctor wakes up,

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the room's spinning, and he's just in the middle. And honestly, at the time, I felt

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like you don't want to go out at night out and you wake up in the morning, no idea what's

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going on, anything like that. And you're just like, where am I? What's going on? It looked

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exactly like that. So fair play to them. They kind of now have the disorienting opening and

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everything.

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And yeah.

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And he wakes up in the Big Brother house, which instantly dates it. But that's pretty

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mad, isn't it? Why would you? It's a kids show. Kids don't watch Big Brother, do they?

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Yeah, but you know about Big Brother. It's kind of things that you know about. You know,

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you pass through the living room at nine o'clock at night and your parents are watching Big

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Brother or your older siblings are or something like that. So you know about that at the time.

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I mean, I've never watched Big Brother, but I know exactly what Big Brother's about. I

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know, you know, kind of what it was on Channel 4, right? Is it Channel 4?

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Yeah, yeah, Channel 4, which also raises more questions. How did BBC get access to Channel

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4 Big Brother?

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You know, I mean, they must have kind of done a thing, because at the end, it's free advertising

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for Big Brother. It's literally free advertising. Yeah, your parents sit down and watch Doctor

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Who or again, the opposite way. You know, you're an older sibling, you can't just see

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you think, oh, yeah, I'll get that watch. So yeah. So the three kind of there's this

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three main game shows in the first episode. Of course, Big Brother, which you've identified

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that one. Of course, you've got the weakest link, which again, what a throwback. I completely

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forgot about that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And the other one, I couldn't work out, but I did put a mug down because it definitely

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wouldn't have been because it wasn't around in 2005, a double kick. But the one that Captain

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Jack was stuck in, I was going to say, was naked attraction.

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Yeah, that would have been brilliant.

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It just shripped him down and it was like, yeah, we can do with some modifications. And

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I was like, oh, I bet that's not naked attraction. He wouldn't have been it because it wasn't

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around a double kick. But yeah.

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I think I think it's Trini and Susanna and that one sort of falls flat on me. I've never

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watched it. I've never heard of it. I've never seen it. But Big Brother is I think that's

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quite well done. And weakest link is like, it's brilliantly done, even with the alien

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questions that they're throwing in the Android. That's just like that was meant to be a Doctor

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Who plot point. And I just love it that they've gone with the idea. What can we make scary

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this in every house? We've had really bins. We've had I can't remember what else we've

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had this season, but now they've got let's make game shows scary. It kind of works to

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the most part, I guess. I like the fact that if you're evicted, you're evicted from life.

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And I like the fact that you get gobbled off by Anne Robinson and she, you know, fellatios

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you to death.

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Well, I was going to say, I've got a funny story about the the Android because of course,

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I heard them say Android. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. And of course, as I'm watching it, I'm

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like, I wonder if they actually got Anne Robinson to voice Android. Right. So I'm like, OK,

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fine. So I look it up, couldn't find anything. But of course, they then come across the Doctor

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Who Villains wiki page. I saw it was literally spelled and and then joy. And I literally

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had to I had to pause the episode because of laughing so hard. But I was just like perfect.

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I was like, oh, Android, as in like just an Android. And then I was like, oh, Android.

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Oh, yeah. Just genius. Absolute genius. So that was yeah, that was just brilliant. But

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the yeah. Yeah. I mean, the funny thing for me going back to the Captain Jack thing was,

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of course, they do completely strip him down. And then the one of the droids just goes,

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oh, your views just went up. And I think Jack says the oh, that's right. Jack says it. That's

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not what the Jack says. And honestly, the just the immature child of me just came out

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and just howling and laughing. I was like, that's pretty easy. Well, I wouldn't say maybe

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my favorite line this season, but it's out there. He's got me up there. It's definitely

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out there. Yeah, actually. So the episode starts off before they realize what's going

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on. It actually starts off quite jovial. I've got a note here that says the doctor's reaction

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to that first eviction. Whereas I will go out to write a book. She'll get famous is

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my reaction to all of these game shows just that, you know, Love Island, all that Geordie

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Shaw, just what a load of nonsense. And then when she does get evicted from life, the way

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it just changes, and then it suddenly ramps up the tension in the episode. When you see

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the first woman in the weakest link to go and then roses, she's laughing the whole way

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through and then all of a sudden she's like, Oh, shit, no. But this is where it's getting

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real. And then obviously, the triniens who's anidroid is they take off their arms and they've

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got chainsaws for us. They're like, Oh, how about a facelift or a face off or that's it?

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How about a face off? Oh, yeah, go on. Who am I gonna? Who am I gonna go against? And

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let's take your face off. And then the episode just Yeah, hard turns 180 degrees. And all

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of a sudden, it's one of the most serious episodes so far, I think. Oh, for sure. I

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mean, you hit it kind of bang on there. You know, it was kind of it started off as, you

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know, you sit in there watching you thinking, Oh, maybe this is just a jokey episode. Like,

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you know, they're just ended up in some weird game show thing and everything like that.

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And then it's when you get that kind of first contestant get evicted. And you're like, Oh,

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okay, fair enough. And then it's it's it's no, is it the but no, it's a weakest link

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one that gets evicted. But she gets she gets voted off. Yes, yes. And I'm just like, and

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you just see her and you just like, wait a minute, something's up here. That looks pretty,

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you know, you don't you don't get that upset. I'm leaving the you know, kind of being voted

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out of the game show. It just ramps up zero to 100 real quick. And it's just like, damn,

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like, you know, it's, yeah, I liked it. It was good. And as well, because when they're

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running, when they're in that thing, with with Captain Jack, one of the he goes into

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like a white vest up at one point. And one of them goes, Oh, exactly. My president's

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fortune. Yeah. In the in the in the Doctor Who timeline. On he was president, which I

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really like because he was always he's always been trying to run for president. And of course,

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he can't because he's not American bull. Yeah. But no, I really like that. I was like, that's

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a nice touch. I like that. But yeah, well, I know that brutal deaths. Yeah, brutal deaths.

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Another favorite line of mine is when Jack's about to be killed, he's dead naked, and he

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pulls a gun out of his asshole. And they go, where were you hiding that? Because girls,

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you don't want to know. Again, just brilliant. I did put I did put a note and a laser gun

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in the old prison pass. Yeah. Again, it's a good show. I have a question for you, JP.

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Okay, what shows would you turn into? death traps at shows? Like what what what shows

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currently running do you think would be pretty well fewer to add? You got to look if he was

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going to modernize it love Island has got to replace Big Brother for sure. I mean, it's

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a similar game show anyway, you know, so yeah, love is definitely got a big one. What else

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would I say I would say I think squid games, they probably do like a real life squid games.

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Real life squid games wouldn't be a bad chat. I'd probably say who wants to be a millionaire?

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You know, that's a that's a popular game show. Yeah, yeah. Jeremy Clarkson just brutally

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murdering people. Yeah, the chase that would be an interesting one. Oh, I fucking hate

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the chase. But that would be quite a good one. I'll tell you about your dad loves that

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case. I know he does. I think that's why I hate it. What I would love to see as like

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a as like a murderous game would be hole in the wall. Always an actual laser. It's an

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actual laser or you get knocked off into like lava or something like a lot of acid or like

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just very, you know, kind of vicious piranhas or something like that. Yeah, yeah. So I actually

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could buy it soon. Yeah, just have a laser wall coming and then a pair of piranhas at

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the end. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that would be fucking brilliant. Just like, yeah, just do it in

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a sharp tank or or something like that. Yeah. I mean, funny, I watched the first Resident

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Evil film the other day. And they've got that scene with the lasers in the corridor.

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Oh, yeah, it goes through and it cuts one of them. And then they're like, oh, and then

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the guy jumps and the laser jumps as well. And then the last guy, he does the plate,

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the really cool plate thing on the ceiling. And then he comes down and he's like watching

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the laser and the laser just becomes like a grid and he just gets turned into a switch.

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The lasers just like fuck this. I've had enough. I'm killing you. You've avoided too many of

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my traps. This is bullshit. Yeah. But no, I quite like the show. I was I was on board

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with it. So yeah, so talking of kind of the game show vibes, the bad wolf corporation.

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Oh, yeah. There you go, JP. The Easter egg to get has finally been revealed last week.

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You did call it. You did say is the station going to be bad wolf or something like that?

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Yeah. So that's that's a slight bit of redemption there. But I'm not going to lie. It was it

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was a poor show from yours truly. And it was the last episode. I said it was those things

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I just saw. And I was just like, I don't like that kind of stuff. I like where it's in the

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background and you can go back and you can watch the episode. I mean, they've done a

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really nice thing in this episode where they showed bad wolf. Oh, no, that's what I like.

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It was the second part. Yeah, they do. It all runs down. They're all around, which I

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really like. I just thought it's like it's always there. You just have to notice it.

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What it just. Yeah. You will be pleased to know then, JP, I didn't realize this, but

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next series Easter egg is first mentioned in this episode. Oh, so you don't even get

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an episode's break. We're back on it. Did you get the Easter egg for series two in this

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episode? I mean, I feel like this is unfair because we've got nothing to compare it to.

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Last week, the first episode of season two. No, you've got plenty to compare it to. You've

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got it's in a similar vein as bad wolf. Right. OK. I mean, I'm going to say an angel kind

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of thing because I mentioned the thing I took from the Daleks, the Daleks are very religious,

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which the doctor questioned. He was like, you guys have never been religious. And they're

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talking about heaven and hell and everything like that. So I reckon angels, because I know

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at some point the week and angels are going to turn up. And if that comes up in next season,

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I'll be really happy. But I'm going to say angels and demons, something like that. It's

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going to be just like, you know, the thought process behind it isn't a million miles off,

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but the answer is a million miles off. But there you go. That's the first one to add

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to the compilation. The next series of your wrong doings. So tune to season two. Yeah,

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exactly. So, yeah, I want to talk about the side characters in this because there's a

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lot of characters in this and a lot of famous characters in this. You've got Johnson from

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Peep Show, who is an absolute legend and just a slimy bastard in this. I think his name

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is Roderick. He's the he's the guy in the weakest link that votes in the weakest link.

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Yeah. Yeah. It was just don't even get me started on how this is a commentary on society.

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Just being brain dead, watching these reality TV shows, not questioning anything and being

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turned into cattle and how we're heading down that route. Anyway, that's a rant from a different

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time. I'm too tired for this. You've got Tanya from EastEnders as Linda with a Y, who's brilliant

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in this. Yes, I thought it was a different I didn't know her as Linda because I again,

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I looked her up. I recognized her from somewhere, but I didn't. It wasn't who I thought he was.

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But I saw that she was from EastEnders and I was like, OK, that's quite a big, you know,

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for Doctor Who, quite a big name to to put in. Like, yeah, just for a side character.

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Do you reckon? I mean, for a side character, unless she comes back in season two.

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But maybe I don't think she's that famous, but I have always had a weird crush on her,

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even when she was in EastEnders. She's got proper millfives about her. Yeah.

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And then the most famous guest, the most famous side character of all of all time, I think.

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Elaine the Bloody Pain is in this. Who's Elaine the Pain?

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Tracy Beaker, Elaine the Pain. I've never watched Tracy Beaker.

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What? You must know Elaine the Pain, though.

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How did you never watch Tracy Beaker? I just I didn't trust me as a child.

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Really? I was I was more on, you know, kind of cartoons and everything as a kid.

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Yeah, fair enough. Well, technically, it's had animation in it.

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And anyway, yeah, yeah.

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Roderick, I think, is a brilliant character. I think he's a great comment on

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how society is and the emphasis that we put on meaningless wins and that bit at the end

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where the Daleks come down to him, he's like, it's not fair. It's not fair.

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You can't do this to me. I won the game. I just thought.

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Brilliant. That is just how that's exactly how society is going.

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Amazing character. Tanya from EastEnders, Linda with a Y.

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She is the best companion we never had. I'm sorry.

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Fight me on it. People will say it's a not Amy Sparrow.

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That's someone we know. I can't say Sparrow, but it's not.

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She's just brilliant. She's just absolutely lovely.

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I was going to say the funny thing about Linda was and again,

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I don't know if anybody's ever seen this film. It was a brilliant film.

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But I thought it was the same actress that played Dizzy in Starship Troopers.

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You ever see Starship Troopers? I haven't.

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No, that's the weird Nazi space bugs, right? The Nazi space bugs. Yeah, that one.

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I thought it was that one there. I was like, oh, no way.

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And then I Googled it and it wasn't. But that's how I found out it was Tanya from

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what's it called? From EastEnders.

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But do you agree? She's a good character. Would you have liked to see more of her?

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Yeah, I thought she would have been a good companion, but I don't think she came back

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when Rose did her anti Thanos snap thing. I don't think she came back.

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But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Yeah. And then Elaine the Pain.

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I really like her in this as well. I think her little romantic subplot that

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is there but doesn't really go anywhere. It's not overemphasized.

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I really like that. I really feel for all the characters.

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I think they do a really good job at establishing all the characters in this.

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So yeah, let's jump to unless you've got anything to add in between,

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but let's jump to Dr. Escape from Linda. I do because they didn't talk about

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Linda gives a little bit of a background of the whole, you know, I think it's

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the leaves anyway, but then it gives a little bit of a background of the whole thing about,

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you know, people are just randomly plopped on earth and just put in these game shows

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and everything like that. And the doctor says about, oh, why don't you just, you know, not,

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not like kind of what there's nothing to do. And so, yeah, just don't, you know, kind of

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don't pay for your TV license. He was like, you get executed for that. And I'm like, that's modern day Britain.

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Yeah, we're literally finding the elderly, making them not afford their bills if they don't pay for

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their TV license. Madness, absolute madness. Yeah, that's a brilliant bit. Yeah, I love all of that.

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I love the idea. What's really fucked up though is that, oh God, mate, I'm going to go off on a rant.

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I can feel it coming. I'm going to try and I'm going to try and bottle it in. But it's the fact

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that in this dystopian future, people get picked at random and they don't have a choice. We live in

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an even more fucked up dystopian future because people will flat out apply for shit like this.

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Like I mentioned, Squid Games earlier, they're doing a real life Squid Games and people are

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replying for it because people will just, they don't care whether they, they'll literally die

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for fame for their five minutes of fame and for a little bit of money to get a bit of a feel.

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And it's just an awful, awful comment on society. And yeah, pretty scary, pretty scary stuff. But

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that's all I'm going to say on the matter. Well, I was going to say talking of talking of, yeah,

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part of the bigger picture and everything. This is the second episode in a row where it's actually

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talking about the doctor's own consequence. You know, the consequences of the doctor's actions,

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which again, was very interesting because last episode they were talking about the,

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you know, the sub-bene and you know, how, how it was a consequence of his actions and everything

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like that. And now they were like, yeah, this is the, you know, this is, this is all because of

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you. You're, you know, you, you just let in the long game, you, you just flew off into the business

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and that was it. We had to live with the 50 years after. Yeah, exactly. So I made this world, I think

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he says, yeah. Yes, that's right. He did. He did. So, yeah, no, very, very interesting. I've got to

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say a lot of the things I watch, you know, I've watched through this evening, you kind of look at

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modern films that have come out in the past five years and you think, okay, yeah, I can see that

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they've been influenced on it. Yeah. I feel like there was a kind of a bit of a, you know, an end

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of the infinity war, you know, where they just kind of, they killed off Rose and she was just dust.

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Watching Tony Stark and Spider-Man, like, you know, this, this, the stock that feels so good.

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I was like, Oh, I was waiting for Rose to go, Oh, sorry. I feel so good. But now they, they dusted

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it straight away and that was it. I was like, Oh, that was, that was pretty brutal. Yeah. I've got

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to say, I've got a note from the second episode, but is the doctor does or Christopher Ecclestone

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does some excellent face acting in these two episodes. Like he conveys all of the emotions

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so brilliantly, like when Rose dies and he's just silent and then throughout that prison scene and

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he's just silent, but you could see it all on his face. There's the bit at the end where he sends

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Rose off. And again, his face just drops when he's talking to the Dalek again, it's all just face

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acting. But my best bit is when he's let off the time vortex back into the TARDIS and he sort of

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gives himself a smile because he knows, right. I said, I've, I've had to kill myself to say that.

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And it's just all in his face without any words. And it's just, Oh, it's French fucking chef's kiss

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perfection. It is, it is good. I thought it was an Italian chef's kiss, but it doesn't matter.

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They're both good food. Both countries in Europe. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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No, no, I don't think they are. But we'll get that. Yeah, exactly. I think they could be. Give it a

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couple of million years and they could be, you know, exactly, exactly. Take time, place,

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shift and everything. But no, so yeah, no, I fully agree. Chris, of course, the, you know,

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the two episodes was just brilliant. You know, he kind of goes through every single emotion like

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this. The, you know, across the two episodes, you know, at some point he's really happy,

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you know, in, yeah, before the first contestant gets evicted in the big brother house knockoff,

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you know, he's kind of cocky, he's like back. Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's

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super rose dies. He goes really quiet. He's very somber. You know, when he's speaking to the Daleks, he's angry.

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You know, and then of course you get to the end and it's kind of like a, it's a sad, but not a sad,

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you know, it's a sad, but he knows he's doing the right thing. And it's just brilliant. I've got to say,

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Chris, in terms of his last episode this evening, it was just perfect. Absolutely perfect.

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Yeah. So yeah, so of course they get arrested by, it was never really explained. I just guess it was

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just like the whatever police force was, you know, kind of there. Yeah. The security isn't on the

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floors watching people come in and out of the games, but is there just for the weakest link

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apparently? Cause that's the most interesting one to watch. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's the one that's the

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only one that someone tried to run away on. Oh yeah. Fair enough. I guess. Yeah. If you've got limited

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manpower, you've got to, you know, kind of divert your resources accordingly. Yeah, true. True.

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So the music in these episodes is again, Italian slash French chefs perfection, right? If we're

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talking about when Rose dies, just the way those operatic swell again, especially in the second

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episode is just beautiful. Isn't it? Oh, it's perfect. And you can tell they really just pulled

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out all the stops for, you know, for these two, you know, they knew that these two, cause I, again,

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I don't know in terms of, you know, whether the doctor who was signed on for another season after

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this, whether it was like guaranteed or whether it was just like, we're going to gauge what, you

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know, kind of what the audience reaction was. But to me, it feels like they were kind of, it almost

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felt like a pilot. You're not like Rose was technically almost like a pilot episode. It felt

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like that, but for season two they were like, right, this is what we're bringing to the table.

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This is what we can bring to the table. This is, this is what we want. Don't counsel us. The fans

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love us. You know, we can, we can, we're already at 10, we can dial it up to a level, you know,

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and I really, really like that. And as you say, the music comes together, the acting comes together,

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the story comes together. It's perfect. And of course, you know, it kind of touches on the,

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on the little bit of nostalgia as well with the Daleks and it's got everything in there for,

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you know, what makes a good episode. And you can't argue with it. You can't argue with it.

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So, yeah, but the thing that made me laugh though, they're in the prison cell and the guy's just like,

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yeah, it's a, yeah, there's just, there's life imprisonment and there's no appeal against sentence.

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Yeah. How many prisons do you have? Just like, there just must be like millions of people just

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in prison. I mean, all they did was break out as well. Do you know what I mean? It's not like they

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committed a felon or anything like that. They just literally broke out and now they're sentenced to

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life with no appeal. Yeah. Pretty brutal. Pretty brutal. So yeah, so that's pretty much. Yeah.

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So, so I'm just rereading my notes. I can't spell it. I realized this. I'm not very good at freehand

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writing and spelling at the same time. It's just, I really struggled with, yeah, I really struggled

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with Emperor this week. I realized I had no idea how to spell Emperor. Well, you know what? I,

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so I actually put a, I put a note because of course, as I'm writing, I'm writing on my phone

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and it was everyone knows that auto correct. He's brilliant. It's also paying the arse at the same

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time. And for some reason, every time I wrote the word darling, it just came up with Dals.

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Okay. Interesting. It was just like, oh, there are certain points where I just couldn't be asked to

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actually go back to change it. I was like, oh, I don't know what Dals will mean. It's just me.

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It's all good. It's all good. But yeah, no. So of course they didn't, they didn't go into the main,

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I don't know what you would call it, editing room maybe? Like where they're kind of the control room.

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I guess so. Yeah. Four, five, control room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Control room. Yeah. Yeah. Control room,

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medicine room, whatever it is. And they meet who I thought was, have you ever seen Star Trek?

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No. Right. Okay. Well, there's a character there, Seven of Nine. She's like a Borg

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hybrid kind of thing. So the Borg are like just like machine things, almost like they're just there

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to just assimilate life and just, yeah, kill it, make it robot and everything like that. Okay.

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I was like, huh, it's a frosty, it's a frosty Seven of Nine because you look very similar to it.

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And I was like, okay, okay. Okay. Fair enough. Did you think she was the bad guy or did you

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realize quite early on that she's actually trying to help? Like what did you sort of get from that?

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I didn't know. I didn't realize that she was trying to help. But I knew, you could obviously

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tell when you're strung up and you're, you know, turned into a human popsicle, you're obviously not

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kind of, you're not going to be the main bad guy. You know, you could tell that she was being held

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there against her will, but I didn't call that she was actually trying to help. That was quite a nice

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surprise that she was like, oh, okay, fair enough. That's pretty, yeah, that's a pretty nice thing to,

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yeah, kind of see. Would you have been more swayed if you hadn't have seen the Daleks in the next

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time? Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely. If I've seen the Daleks in the next time, it would have been

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an even bigger surprise, especially the scale of the Daleks as well. Yeah. There were millions of

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them. And it was just like, if I hadn't seen that, that would have been even cooler. This episode,

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I would have been going, this is top absolute, well, I still think it is top tier, but I would

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have been going, this is incredible. Like, you know, just the review of the Daleks and how many

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of them there are and then hiding and, you know, and so it was a little bit of a shame to be sport,

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but like I've looked at my lesson. I think season two, I'm not going to watch the end. Well,

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unless we say, I don't know, we'll talk about it. No, I think do it. I think, I think from now on,

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stop watching the next time. Yeah. Stop watching the next time. There we go. We've had it here.

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Stop watching the next time. So that's it. So, yeah. So we'll quickly finish because we've,

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yeah, we'll quickly finish the first episode. So of course he goes, of course, I didn't go into the

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control room, of course, the doctor's got this big old gun. It was quite cool. It was like, okay,

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yeah, fine. It almost reminded me of, you know, kind of a bit of a commando with the big old

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rocket launch and everything. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Like a mini gun or something. Yeah. Yeah.

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Like a mini gun kind of thing. And then of course he's asking questions like the doctor does,

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which I really liked. And then at one point he just hands what I was calling the main editor,

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he just hands him the gun and then just carries on asking questions. But I've got your gun and

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the doctor just turns around. He's like, well, yeah, it should be then. Which I thought was

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brilliant because he just, two things. One, it was kind of an off the cuff, you know, cheeky remark

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and everything like that. And it just shows that the doctor is a little bit cocky, but knows,

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you know, kind of this good in humanity and he kind of sees that they're not, you know, kind of

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there. But the thing I also liked about it as well, it shows an element of trust. Yes. Well,

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I think that's really important. And the fact that that guy then also turns around and says,

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can I put this down? I think it also shows that these guys are all on the same team. There's a

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bigger bad that's coming. You're all on the same team. Okay. You got to use a bit of force to get

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here, but you are on the same team. Just quickly. That guy's name is Davish Patel. Now I know we're

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200,000 years in the future, but he doesn't look like a Davish Patel. If you say Davish Patel,

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that's not the sort of man that springs directly to mind, is it? No, I think that now you mentioned

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that it's not really the, you know, what, what I would associate, but I suppose it's the future.

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It's one of those things where they're just going, oh, it's the future. Whatever goes,

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you know, so fair play, fair play. I like that. I don't put a note saying all very dramatic,

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isn't it? Cause it didn't, as you say, music and everything going on. It's just like, oh,

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that deal. This is a bit dramatic in it, you know? And then, and then of course, old frosty seven

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of nine. Um, well, I know, sorry, did we get a close up of the death rate? Yes. After a frosty

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seven of nine gets teleported back to the Daleks main ship and I put what a very noughties hairstyle.

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Is the sort of frosted tips just in Timberlake look, isn't it? Yeah, it really was. And then I

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was just like, huh, yeah, I forgot this was made in the noughties, you know, but I, again, I like

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it. I think it's, you know, it's a nice little bit in the standard. I was like, yeah, that's,

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that's how everyone used to have their hair back in the noughties. So yeah, fair play.

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And of course we get a cool close up of the death rate, right? Which damn, I mean, I like the death

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rate from, you know, from the episode that we have, well from Daleks. Yeah. And the fact that we

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actually get a kind of a close up of it again, again, I was like, yeah, I'm on board with that.

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Did you feel that having a million Daleks raised the states?

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No. Yeah, I mean, kind to agree with you. It is what I explained in, in a couple of previous

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episodes. It's like kind of when you've got one threat and it's just a single threat, you're like,

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right, okay, this, this is potentially dangerous because you're like, this is the one threat

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that they've got to deal with. You know, they're not going to be able to just kill it quickly

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because then otherwise the episode's over. Yeah. When you've got a million, you're like, well,

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they're expendable. Yeah, exactly. When they started arming up the contestants and everything

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like that, I was like, well, obviously most of them are going to die because you kind of, you go from

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going, oh, it's just the main characters that everybody doesn't want to see die. And it's

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something it's just like, yeah, by the way, with all these expendable people, which it did strike

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me when, you know, it did catch me by surprise when they inverted on this kill.ros. It was like,

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oh, damn. Okay. It was pretty, you know, it was pretty, pretty brutal in all honesty. But no,

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I liked it. I mean, the million Daleks scene I thought was quite cool because it was like,

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when you watch Dalek, it was like, oh, you know, he's alone. He's the last of these kind of species.

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And then suddenly it's like, yeah, all these Daleks have just turned up. Yeah, exactly. I think it,

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it tries to raise the stakes, but it's sort of like to what end, you know what I mean? I think it

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would have worked better if there'd maybe been more cutaways to the Daleks devastating earth.

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Maybe that would have helped because the primary there. Yeah, I was going to say they kind of

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showed them going down to earth, but that's about it. There's nothing else. They don't use that.

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There's no like ever safety on earth or anything like that. The only killing we ever see is just

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on the safe. Exactly. And when it's on the station, it's down narrow corridors where they're all just

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stacked behind each other anyway. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, I've got notes on that

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further in episode two, like the second episode. So I think that's just a little roll credits.

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Go on. Yeah. No, there was a roll credits. She goes, she says we're playing the long game.

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Oh yeah. So it was called the long game. I was like, yeah, okay. Fair enough.

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Yeah. I then put like, literally to cap off the, the first and two parts. I just put,

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holy shit. That's a lot of Daleks. It's quite a lot of Daleks. Isn't it? I mean, I don't know

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how they managed to find it for so long, but fair play. Right. The only thing I think gets,

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they don't actually, oh no, they do explain it. Ignore me. Ignore me. Go on. I didn't explain

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about where they all come from. But of course they just really shuffled them waste it was into a

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Dalek. So they did explain that. So this is, this is, this is again, teetering on going onto a

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potential waste on a potential rant. But yeah, he says we're harvesting humanities waste and they're

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transmitting these contestants that lose the game and they're turning them into, into Daleks. And

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it's just, it's just a comment on society, JP. And I'm frankly sick of society. I hate it. I hate

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the world we live in. You don't want to be a Dalek or? I think, I think we need the Daleks to come

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and fucking kill us all. If I'm being totally honest with you. I noticed in the, in the, in the

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recap of the long game and where it's supposed to be like 200,000 years in the future, she said

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something like, and we're broadcasting 600 channels. It's unbelievable. I'm like, Sky has well over 600

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channels. You don't even get to the porn section until you're in the nine hundreds. Do you know

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what I mean? Like we're nearly there. This is supposed to be a dystopian future. We're nearly

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there. Jackets. We don't have, we don't have game shows that kill off the contestants.

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But do you think it's that far out? Like the reason The Purge is a scary film is because

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it's actually not that unfeasible. Do you know? Like I just, it doesn't seem like it's never

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going to happen. Like if you look back through history, Romans used to have the Coliseum and

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gladiators and we still have, you know, MMA and boxing and all this sort of stuff. It doesn't

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seem that unreasonable. I was going to say talking about combat sports and everything. I was watching

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slapbox the other day. That's right. You've seen slapbox. It occasionally comes up on Instagram.

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Yeah. It's absolutely fucked. Yeah. You know what? Don't you say that about combat sports to the

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deafening. I mean, that's like, because the whole point of boxing is you're supposed to like,

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well, it's just any combat sport actually. You're supposed to avoid your opponent's hits. Yeah,

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you're not going to protect yourself. Whereas slapbox is just like, yeah, just hit this man

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as hard as you can. First one unconscious loses. It's insane, isn't it? I love watching them topple.

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But this is what I mean. We're part of the problem, Jack. We're part of the problem.

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Yeah, we're doing it for the views. That's it. Like literally just everyone's there for the views.

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That's it. But yeah. It's just, I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's this influx

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and this overload of content that we've got is why Disney Plus is failing. It's why there's

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the writer's strike at the minute. It's just, we're being brain fed and we're over consuming

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and it's nonsense. We're responsible for it. We're now putting content out into the world.

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We're content creators. We're just as fucking bad. And yet we're going to carry on with this

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podcast. We are. We're content creators. I'd rather someone just come up to me and go,

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you're an idiot on the internet. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take that. No, that's not. I'd say great

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pride would be the fact that I'm a content creator. I'm up there with the Martin Scorsese

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and the James Gunn's and the, you know, we're making shit. We're directors, we're producers,

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we're editors, we're actors. We're all, we're the fucking shit man. This time we're here with

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our X and guidance and the galaxy on the floor. Watch this space. This is it. This is just testing.

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We're just, we're actually gaining like kind of how, how well doctor who comes off and everything.

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Like we're just, you're listening to our brainstorming ideas. That's it. I'll be honest.

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I am only doing this podcast at the hope that one day I do get cast as the doctor.

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I can see you as a good doctor. Thank you. I appreciate that a lot. Thank you very much.

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I'm thinking when I'm like 50 years old, gray hair, a little bit. And you know, you're very

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eccentric. Should we say that? I think you'd be a good doctor. Thank you very much. I am currently

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sat on my snake skin sofa with my leopard prints throw over the top of it. So that would be my

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TARDIS interior. I think. Yeah, exactly. The TARDIS interior leopard print and snake skin,

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ATC and snakes. Yeah. So part two, we got onto part two. No, I didn't understand. And I was kind of,

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what I was working on the basis that it was a kind of a one shot wonder kind of thing.

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Because he did, in fairness to Jack, he did say it was a one shot wonder kind of thing. But of

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course they killed the darling for this amazing gun thing. Oh, yeah. And then they never use it again.

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And I was working on the basis for that was like a kind of a one time, you know, that that was it,

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that they only had one shot on that thing. And that was it. Because then they are all the all the

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