S1 E8 - Fathers Day

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Sep 14, 2023

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Alright, hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Doctor Who. I am Josh

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and with me as always is my co-host Jack Phillips. How's it going?

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I'm good, thank you. I'm good. How about yourself?

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Not too bad at all. Thank you. We were just saying before we started, it feels like a

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fucking age since we sat down and recorded one of these. I think nearly two weeks.

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Nearly two weeks. Yeah, nearly two weeks because we recorded two back to back, which was-

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Yeah, we banked a couple. An intense week that was.

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It was, it was. It was good at the time, but the problem is it has now been quite a distance

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between since I watched the episode, episode eight, to recording it now. So I'm glad I've

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written some detailed notes is all I can say.

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I see. I was clever. I only watched it last night, so it's still very fresh in my mind.

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But before we jump in, just to thank you to everyone that's engaging. I know Bradley Fuller

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runs the TikTok account. He's absolutely fucking killing it the past couple of weeks.

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Thank you for everybody that's engaging and watching and liking and commenting. Thank

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you to Vy, who she was doing our artworks for a little while. She can't commit to every

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week. So we've got someone else who I think we're all 50-50 on. He doesn't listen to the

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podcast, it's fine. We're all 50-50 on. So if you could leave a comment when you see

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it on Friday, do we stick with this guy? Do we try someone else? Let us know your thoughts

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and yeah, just a general thanks to everyone, really.

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Guys, look, it goes without saying that we really, really appreciate just the sheer amount

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of love and the interaction as well. It's been absolutely brilliant. It's encouraging

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for us because for us, we know that we're obviously doing the right thing. As I always

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say, if you guys have got any suggestions or anything you want us to say or talk about,

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just let us know. We're right across the socials. I would say Twitter now, but they've gone

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for a stupid name of X instead. So how long that lasts.

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That's such bad marketing, isn't it? That's just the worst thing I've ever heard.

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We're not going to get into this because I could go for hours. Much like you last week,

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I could rant for hours on it. But yeah, no, guys, as I said, thank you for all the love.

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Keep following us. We'll keep you updated and yeah, we'll go from there.

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Yeah, no, we really appreciate it. And actually, we're not sure how we're going to do it yet,

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but we're going to have a guest on. Yeah, we're going to have a guest on Raquel. She's

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going to be joining us to talk about this episode Father's Day. We haven't actually

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recorded that bit yet. So depending on how long it is, we will either snip it in very

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discreetly to this episode. You won't even notice other than the fact that Jack won't

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be there or we will just release it as a bonus episode sort of later in the week for you

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guys. But yeah, keep an eye peeled for that. You'll hear a dodgy edit. You'll potentially

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hear a dodgy edit a little bit later in the episode. But Jack, talking of episodes, should

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we jump straight in? I think we should. I think we should. And I've got to say, got

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off to a bit of a gloomy start for me. It's all very, yeah, it was straight off the bat,

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often a gloomy start. And I suppose that's kind of, I mean, looking at the overall episode

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in general, it's one of those things that you look at. It is a nice, sweet episode,

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but the underlying thing is, is Rose's dad's dead. So it's not exactly the most, you know,

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kind of, you know, happy episode, should we say. No, I totally agree. You actually called

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this way back in season one, way back in episode one, I think. Yeah. I saw it. I saw it. It

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just, I don't know. It was either he'd run away and they weren't going to talk about

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him, but I just didn't feel that that was the dynamic that was in, you know, Rose and

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her mum's flat. So yeah, no, I'm glad I called it actually. I've got to say, I was really

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happy with that. I was, when I saw the next, this time next week, I was like, yeah, cool

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that one. So yeah, I think that's probably going to be, you know, my once a, once a podcast,

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but fair enough, mate. So yeah. So gloomy start, like you said, Rose, sorry, Jackie

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telling Rose about the dead dad and big paradox episode. I was making load. I haven't watched

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it for a while straight off the bat. I fucking love this episode. I think it's a damn good

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episode. What did you think? It's good. It's the thing with this episode is everything

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that you want from a kind of a time traveling story. You know, you want that kind of messy

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paradox that's kind of borderline, you know, kind of looks on the kind of the realms of

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like, kind of what, you know, classes is good humanitarian, like, you know, the way you

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act and everything like that. And I just loved it. I just thought it was, it was brilliant

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in, and I think the, the kind of the threat, the constant threat they gave as well, they

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were in a building, but the building was only going to hold for so long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Cause it's sort of like, it's called like a bottle episode where it's to save the

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budget. They stick it in one room or one location like that. And yeah, it really does do a good

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job of building the tension, but I mean, I haven't seen your notes for this with JP.

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Do you want to run through your notes and we'll sort of break it down? Yeah. Yeah. We'll

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go chronological order for the episode. The next note I made was it looked like the dots

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was time with a futuristic Rubik's cube, which really might be chuffed because it made me

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think that actually he's probably way beyond, you know, kind of the, the knowledge to just

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solve a normal Rubik's cube. So maybe there is a futuristic Rubik's cube out there. The

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Rubik's cube, yeah. Cause you can see, yeah. Yeah. Cause you see, he reads books in like

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seconds. I think they do that in a couple of episodes and say, yeah, it would make sense.

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Like he would probably solve a Rubik's cube like that. So I did like when he's, when she's

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asking him, can we, can we go and see my dad? And he's like, and she, she sort of plays

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or she's like, you know, you know, it doesn't matter if you can't do it. And he instantly,

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he sort of, he sort of, he animates a little bit and he's like, I can do anything. And

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it's a bit like, should he have, should he have put, he could have avoided this entire

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episode if he was being sensible, that he was being a show.

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You know what? That, that was that actually is part of my point. The part, part of the

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point I made is, you know, should the doctor have been responsible and not let them go

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back to that? Because you've got to look at it from him. He has a certain level of responsibility

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to say, you know, look, this is what we got to do. And it's not only just about keeping

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him and Rose safe. It's also about keeping what I'm assuming is the timeline safe as

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well.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's the butterfly effect. You know what I mean?

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That's it. Exactly. And that was, that was something that was right in the back of my

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mind the entire thing. It was like, should the doctor have seen this coming and should

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the doctor said, look, I appreciate you want to go back, but I can't take you back because

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not only he can say no, you know, that's it. And I was just saying the other thing that

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was also in the back of my mind right at the start of the, uh, the episode was of course,

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they'd never actually show the hit and run driver at the start. And I really, really

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thought, I really thought it was going to be Dr. Rose that run him over for some stupid

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reason.

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Oh, that would have been a twist and a half.

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I genuinely, I was, I was expecting them to kind of go right the way through to the episode

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and they'd be like, we've got to kill the dad to stop this paradox going. I genuinely

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was expecting them to step out the car and just be like, well, we did it. And they didn't

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do it. And I was kind of, I was a little bit gutted, but then I was like, actually the,

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the way it ended was quite a nice, you know, not a nice way, but, um, but yeah, very, very

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interested episode.

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Yeah, no, really cool. So yeah. So, um, yeah, I mean back to the eighties basically. Um,

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I think it looked like, I believe it was in the eighties to be fair.

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Well, I mean, the, the, the note I put was, you know, with the set designers, they're

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like, you know, they're obviously sat around, have a cup of tea or whatever set designers

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do. And they're like, right, we didn't make this look like the eighties. Anybody got any

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ideas? And then someone went, right, what'd you think about the eighties? Maggie Thatcher,

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put the camera past it. That's the eighties right there. It was just so on the nose. It

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was like, Oh, yeah. Obviously they're trying to make a point that this is the eighties,

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not none of the clove in the cars or anything like that. They were like, no, just put Maggie

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Thatcher on a poster, have the camera pan right across the poster. And then everyone

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knows it's the eighties, which, uh, which did make me chuckle.

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No, I thought it was a pretty, a pretty bang up job to be fair. Apparently all they had

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to do was remove some satellite dishes from the sides of houses. And that was enough basically,

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because that's how fucking dated London is at the minute. Uh, well, I say it at the minute

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20 years ago. Well, it hasn't changed much in the past 20 years either, but yeah, speaking

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of tech design though, the car that, um, Pete drives, that old clapped up banger. There's,

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uh, it's, uh, when I was doing some research, it's DREJ, which means that it was about a

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year old time of recording. So Pete has no respect for his stuff because it does look

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like an absolute clap. But I'm going to give you a bit of a bit of a risky hint here, JP

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talking of posters. Did you get the Easter egg this week?

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No, uh, and that was a good question. Cause I don't think I've got it for a poster.

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Ah, interesting, interesting. It was a very subtle hint this week, but it was in there.

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Uh, and that was a little bit of a clue that it was poster related. You're now not allowed

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to rewatch this episode to be looking out for it by the way.

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No, I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't, I didn't see it. That's very annoying. Of course

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then the, the, you know, kind of the decades run over, they, they, they sit there and well,

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they stand there and they watch, which again is quite a horrific thing to be watching,

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to be honest. I'm not sure it's saying I'd want to see. I, I get the point that she wanted

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to be there with his, not with her dad after he'd been here and as he died. But I mean,

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would you want to stand there and watch it? Yes. No, I totally agree. Yeah. Like hide

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around the corner, wait for it to happen. No, no, I don't want to watch my dad get hit

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by a car.

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It's just the way you just went, yes. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no. Touching wood. I never have to see that happen. But no, I like, yes, I

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agree with you. Hide around the corner, let the doctor be a watch and then send Rose out

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or something like that. I think would be better. Yeah. Yeah. It was a bit of a kind of a weird

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thing. But then of course they never actually show him get hit by the car. They showed the

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vase, like, you know, all the bars, depends where you're from smashing, but the, the kind

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of the, the track record that doctor who has had so far with the skeletons and the exploding

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aliens, I genuinely was expecting them to show him being absolutely kind of by this

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guy sticking out of his court. I was waiting for it. And I was like, ah, I was almost a

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little bit disappointed really. Yeah. Probably wouldn't have surprised me either. Yeah. But

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that was, yeah. So that was, that was an interesting one. But then of course they go back and then

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Rose jump, you know, kind of superhuman leaps and pushes him out of the way and saves him.

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And you know that because the vase is saved instead. But yes, it's a metaphor, Jack. The

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vase is a metaphor for his life. I know. I know. Set is mad. Isn't it? Then it breaks

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at the end. Spoiler alert. I know. I can't believe that. And it was a nice far as well.

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You know, I'd love to make a clever joke there, but I know now fall about pottery. So I don't,

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I can't make a good joke, but here's what it is. I really thought she was going to,

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they were going to Marty McFly it. You've seen back to the future. Yeah. I have. Yeah.

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So of course, you know, back to the future, I'm seeing a lot of parallels with this. They

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go back in time. So it goes a bit sideways. They have to undo it all and put it all back

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together. And of course, Martin McFly, the first thing he's mum, who's a younger version

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of herself starts hitting on Martin McFly. He's doing everything he can to avoid that.

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He's like, no, no, no, no. And it was, it was when it, that pops around the corner and

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he just goes, Oh, boyfriend troubles is there. And I was like, Oh no.

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Then he does proceed to hit on her. I've actually got a note. I've actually got to know how

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many times have you been rejected the same way that Rose rejected her dad? Oh, it takes

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the whole friend zone to another thing. It's a dad's own. I love that. I thought that was

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quite, I actually really liked the relationship between Rose and Rose and Pete in this. I

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think it's done really, really well, even when he doesn't know. Like, I dunno, just

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like that. They mentioned it at one point. He's like, well, why did I trust you? I gave

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you my keys. You know, I've brought you along to this friend line that just, I suppose we

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will never know. But I suppose if you did meet like a grownup version of a daughter

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or a son or something, would there be that sort of familial instinct that kicks in? I

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don't know. It's quite an interesting thing. It is an interesting thing. And that's why

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I just don't know. I'd like to think that, you know, if you spend a bit of time, because

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I can't remember how old they said Rose was, like the baby Rose was, she was only a couple

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of months, wasn't she? Yeah, I think she's a newborn pretty much. Yeah, she's definitely

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a newborn, but like you would have thought that if you'd have spent enough time that

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you may be able to see some kind of similarities or something like that, you know, so you just,

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you just don't know. But I've got to say, I think you're spot on with the kind of the

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character rapport between Rose and her dad and the fact that they, they were, they, they

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could have just gone very boring. This is Rose's dad. This is it. He died. They say

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that they say, and that's it. Yeah, no, they made them, they made them very, very similar.

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And you can tell on this is going to go far too deep into than it should, but you can

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tell that Rose has characteristics from both her mum and her dad. Yes. Yeah. You know,

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she, she, she kind of picks up that kind of cheeky kind of like can do attitude from

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her dad. And then she gets a kind of adventurous, adventurous, can't say no attitude from her

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mum. That's, you know, and we kind of had 50% of the puzzle before this episode. And

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now we've got the other 50% as well. And it just shows you. And again, the, the

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giving you the keys and everything like that. I'm looking back to when the doctor gave Rose

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the keys to the TARDIS. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. That was only a matter of episodes.

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Yeah. That was only a matter of episodes. You know, so you kind of, she obviously is

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a very good companion because she kind of radiates that feeling of trust. You know what

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I mean? And I'll trust her, you know, I would, but, but yeah, no, I thought it was very sweet.

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And again, it just builds the entire episode to the point of where it is revealed that,

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you know, that, that, that she is his daughter. And then you're like, right. Is she going to

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break to the point, you know, kind of break the news to him that he's actually dead. He's

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not alive. Yeah. And I tell you, there's some fucking good acting in this episode, like

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the whole way through. And I think it's got something to do with the score as well. Like

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the music that underlines some of the key moments. Like the, the, the note that I made

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is when Pete arrives at the wedding and him and Jackie start arguing and there's,

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Rose is just looking on her, her mom and dad, who, you know, in her eyes was this perfect couple,

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because that's how Jackie's always explained it. And they're arguing and they're fighting.

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And has he been cheating? Has he not been cheating all this? Yeah. It was fucking like, I've,

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I put genuinely quiet sad in the notes. And I, it was, and then, and then like you said,

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yeah, when he's like, do I go gray? And you sort of see her face just drop and

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excuse me. And then she starts saying, yeah, you read me a bedtime story every night. We did

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picnics and he just, like his face again, it just drops. And he goes, that's not me. Like,

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just abs. It is brilliant. I absolutely love it. It really is. It really is. No, it really is. And

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that is the thing where good actors will might, I mean, I know that you can have a good actor with

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bad writing that pulls the actor down, but the acting in this made this episode. Yeah. 100%.

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If you hadn't had those actors act in the way they did, you just wouldn't have had that.

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Cause there was kind of three stages. You're sitting there, you're thinking, right, what's

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going to happen to Rose's dad. Then you're like, is Rose's dad going to find out that he is actually

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Rose's dad? And then you're like, the third part is, is he going to find out that he's dead? And

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there is that same level of tension across. It's no kind of, oh, thank God for that. Everything's

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over. Like they make, you know, we can relax and he's just, you kind of get that full sense of hope.

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It's like, oh, okay. Oh no, wait, we're back up there. And then you're like, oh, okay. He's

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saying that. Oh wait, no, he now wants to find out what his future is like. And it's just,

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it is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. But it's quite relentless to be fair as well. Just like,

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no, really. Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant. Picking some holes in the episode rather than just

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fumble it over the entire time. When the Reapers, which are those alien things, don't think they're

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named in the episode, but they're called Reapers. When they attack, right? There's one bit when

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they're outside the church. Oh, we haven't even spoken about Dr. Amrose breaking up and come back

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to that. But there's one bit where Reapers outside the church is making a beeline for the bride.

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And then it must see the priest in the corner of its eye or something, because it is, oh,

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fuck me, I'm going to have that kiddie fiddler instead. Like, just out of nowhere,

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just gives up on the bride and goes, what's that all about?

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The funny thing is, I actually put the 80s zoom was back, because the last episode we watched,

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because you had the 80s zoom, when Max went down. And I was like, oh, yeah, the 80s zoom is back.

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Just a horror zoom of, you know, that the monster's coming. We're the monster. We're

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eating the person. And that's what we'd be seeing. And I was just like, oh, that's brilliant. But

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again, picking holes in it. The other thing I couldn't work out as well is those things made

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an awful amount of racket when they were attacking the church. Yeah. Yeah. But they just decided

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before they kind of announced themselves, they were just like, yeah, let's just go really silently.

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Yeah, let's go tension. That bit where Mickey's in the park and everyone's just like.

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Oh, you know, and that was Mickey, by the way. I couldn't believe that was Mickey. I was like,

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I put in my notes. I was like, is that Mickey? And then like, literally, it was just like,

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I think Rose's mom is just like, oh, it doesn't like Mickey hug Rose or something like that.

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And yeah, it was. Oh, Mickey's taking a light here. And I was like, no way. That's Mickey.

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Yeah, I didn't realize he was older than that. I sort of keep forgetting that.

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Yeah. Right. So question about Mickey, when he's in the park, right?

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Yeah. He's wearing a full on suit, isn't it? Yeah. Well, but the wedding had already started

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because the bride has already been and has said like, oh, you need to go around because there are

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some guests missing. So was he running late to the wedding or was it just was he planning on crashing

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it? Why was he in a suit? I don't understand. I got no idea. To be honest, I mean, people wore

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suits that people just wear suits just because I mean, the only reason we don't outside of work is

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because we're not, you know, kind of not rich. But I guess people just wear suits to go out.

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Three year old kid to the park as well. Come on. I just thought I think that's a bit of a

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continue continuity thing. But anyway, I heard no, he's fucking got a chain on.

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Is he? Yeah, he's got like a chain, like tucked into his collar where the tie would be.

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Fair enough. I just fucked me for a minute. Can we talk about Rose and the doctor's little breakup?

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Yes. Fucking brutal on both of their parts, to be fair. Dr. Like, well, I picked up another stupid

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eight and Rosie's like, go on then you'll be back on the I like fucking hell. But again, like,

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I've been in relationships like that, like it's so real, like real family drama. And I think that's

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what later series of Dr. Who has been missing. Like a lot of this, you forget you're watching a

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sci fi show, I think the good acts in between, you know, Rose and the dad and Jackie and Pete and

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the doctor and Rose like, it's just brutal. And he takes, he takes the key. Was he just going to

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fuck off and leave her in the 80s? I don't know. I did think that because I was like,

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that is a bit strange that he just takes the key back. Yeah, what's he supposed to do? I just,

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I just, I don't know if that was a kind of heat in the moment thing, because I think part of the

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reason why he flew off the handle was because he realized he cocked up that that was it, you know,

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you know, it's that he's angry himself, you know, for kind of putting him in that situation,

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because to me, the doctor seems like a kind of a perfectionist, self perfectionist. And he's

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realized he messed up and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes and he's angry because it's his fault.

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And then I think that Rose escalates it and we see why she escalates it, because then you'd

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look at the argument between her parents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the fact that her mum,

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she's all going after it. You know, it's just like, it's kind of, I can't remember what scene,

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what film it's from, but you know that fight scene where they're kind of the guys on the floor

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and there's the two guys that have got the baseball bats and then there's one, he obviously

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decides that the guy on the floor is heading up and he's like pulling the other guy back and the

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other guy's still trying to go for him. And he's just like, I get that's the feeling with kind of

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Jackie. She's just like, I want to carry on going. And you see that with Rose in the argument. And I

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think that, all right, part of the reason it helps kind of nurture the plot of it. But I think part

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of the reason they made that at the start of the episode was to show that Rose is very similar to

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her parents. Actually, that's a really good point. Yeah. And that's really cool structurally.

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You know, as I said, it helps the plot, but you know, it helps develop Rose and, you know,

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kind of the story for Rose's parents as well. Yeah. Well, to be fair, it doesn't really help

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the plot because he does come back pretty much straight away. So yeah, like I totally, I haven't

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even thought about that. I totally agree with you. Yeah. I think it's there to show she's like Jackie,

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like, yeah, totally get it. Because the doctor does, he comes pretty much. Oh, how cool was that,

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by the way, the empty TARDIS. That's probably just the property they use anyway, isn't it?

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Well, again, I was reading some interviews, they were going to make it so that he opened the door

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and it was a traditional police box. And yeah, in classic BBC fashion, they didn't have the budget.

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So they just use the actual fucking plot that they had, like you said, yeah. And I'll fuck it out.

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That's incredible. It's quite funny. But right. So yeah, that's what I was going to ask you, mate.

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Last week, it was like two weeks ago for us, but last week, we had a companion, fuck up,

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and the doctor just abandoned them. This week, we've got Rose fucking up. So two bad companion

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stories back to back. And I think you actually touched, well, I don't know, why do you think the

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doctor forgives her, but didn't forgive Adam? That's a good question, actually. Because yeah,

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no, you're right. And the doctor kind of makes a point of building on Adam's cock up in the last

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episode with the click. And I know it's all very childish and everything like that, but that's the

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kind of point. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe because he knows that him and Rose work well

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together. Yeah, I think it's quite interesting as well, just to do two, you know, two relatively

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simple, totally different, but relatively similar themes back to back. And I think you touched on,

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I think it's this time because he feels responsible. He let it happen. I think that's a huge thing that

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Adam considered. And then yeah, I think it's like she's got a proven track record of being a good

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companion. So it's left ambiguous in the episode, but what are your thoughts? Was this always her

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intention, JP, to come back and save her dad? Because he even brings up at one point in the

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episode, he said it travels in space. You said no, I said it travels in time, and you came running.

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So do you think it was intentional? No, I don't think it was. I think it was one of those things

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that to me, I think that Rose just wanted a bit of closure, because where she's never, you know,

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where she was too young to remember that she never got to see him or anything like that. So I think

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it's a bit of closure. Okay. But I still think the fault lies at the feet of the doctor. The doctor

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should have shown responsibility and gone look, you can't do it like as much as you know, it's

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almost like self-sacrifice, really, you know, you kind of, you have a level of responsibility,

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you know, like the Spider-Man thing with great power comes great responsibility. Yeah. Yeah.

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You know, the doctor has this ability to travel any point in the world, anytime, and he actually

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makes it himself. He says, you know, kind of, do you not think I wish to go back to stop the time

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war or whatever it was or stopping all my people dying, you know, because he does have that ability

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to do it, but he can't because he knows that that would mess everything up for everyone else, you

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know, the great is the greater good, you know, and that's what Rose has to learn, I guess. But

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whether the doctor decided to do it because he thought that it would be a valuable lesson for

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Rose or whether he just showed a moment of weakness, I don't know, but I think the doctor's the one to

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want to blame for this one. Yeah. Like I said at the start, I think she goaded him into it,

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I think she's like, well, well, if you can't, then don't worry about it. And then his ego

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sort of kicks up. I think we sort of mentioned it a few episodes ago. Do you feel there's a

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relationship subtext between Rose and the doctor or do you still have the opinion,

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I think you said that you thought it was quite platonic and it's not like that. How do you feel

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after the breakup scene, after him being like, no, I'm going to show off for you. We obviously just

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had last week as well, where in my opinion, he's showing a little bit of jealousy at Adam and maybe

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that's why he turfed him and is being a bit more forgiving to Rose. What are your thoughts on how

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that's developed? It's difficult because there are certain aspects where you know, you sit there and

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you think, okay, yeah, you could see that there's an actual relationship building there. And then

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there's other times like last episode where the doctor purposely pulls Rose through the door first

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to tell her what to say to Adam. Because let's be real, if you were truly jealous, you wouldn't be

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trying to wingman your competition. You'd be like, oh yeah. So I just think that, I don't know,

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it's still very 50-50. And I suppose they're trying to go for that kind of that flirtatious

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relationship, but it's also a professional relationship, but it's also like a father and

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daughter kind of thing. It's just all mashed into there and they're kind of showing different parts

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and it's going to be interesting to see how they take that further down the line in later seasons.

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Yeah, no, that's a very good point. Yeah, what else have you got? You know, it's JP. I've got one

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here that just says, fuck me, he looks strange without his coat on, doesn't he? Well, yeah, I mean,

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apart from that, the only other thing that wasn't strange was Rick Astley in the car.

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A little bit of Rick Astley going along. Again, the eighties, they're like, look, we've got to put

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the eighties in and it was just so quick. Who's brilliant from the eighties? Just get Rick Astley.

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Quick, stick him on the radio. Yeah, what else was it going to be? Come on. Yeah, a very strange

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talk, a very strange thing. So why did they kill the priest? It just, he made a beeline for the

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priest. I don't know why it's like, I couldn't work it out. But he was going for the wife and then he

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made the beeline for the priest. It's so strange. He's very, very strange, but I just, yeah, it's it.

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The interesting thing as well, of course, they then explain what's happening. The doctor comes back

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into the church, shepherds everybody into the church and goes, oh, no, we'll be safe in here.

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I'm not really, I guess it was a kind of convenient point for the plot. They wanted to be in a church.

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It was a wedding or all that stuff. But you got these kind of giant space lizard dragon things.

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Surely you would have thought that I got for a bit of glass. Yeah, the stained glass windows. Yeah,

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yeah, I just, I was like, you know, maybe if they'd explained it, that it was religious or something,

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you know, something like that, that they, yeah, this is a holy spot in time. It's going to take

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them some time to yeah, yeah, I do get you. I do get you. Oh, they can't break down the door.

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It's like, oh, okay. So these like kind of intergalactic, interdimensional beings just

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can't break down a bit of brick, wooden glass. It's like, okay, fair enough. But yeah, no. So

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that was interesting. The other thing I really liked going back to the doctor and Rose's relationship

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is Rose asks the doctor specifically if this is her fault, you know, when they're all huddled in

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the church and, and everything. And the doctor doesn't say yes. Is this coming back to your,

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