S1 E4&5 - Aliens of London/World War Three

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Sep 14, 2023

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Alright, hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Doctor Who.

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I'm Josh and with me as always is my co-host Jack.

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Hi there, sorry, the little pulls you do between the Doctor and the Who, it just makes me chuckle

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every time.

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That's one of my kind of interests, so delayed, I'm just sitting there laughing to myself.

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How's it going JP, you alright?

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I'm not bad, I'm not bad.

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I've got to say, I think this is probably, I know we're only four episodes in, but this

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is the one I'm most excited to talk about to be honest.

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Is it really?

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Yeah, we are doing episode four and episode five, it was a two-parter, we're going to

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be talking about both of those today, so it's going to be a little bit of an extended podcast,

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but it made sense as we said last week, do both of them at the same time and yeah, I've

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got to say, I'm excited, I've got a lot to talk about.

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I love that, well before we jump in, I just want to say thank you to everyone interacting

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with the Instagrams, we've just started up on thread, very topical at the minute, so

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thank you to everyone engaging with us there.

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Specifically, I'm going to give Raquel a shout out, she's going to be coming on in a few

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weeks time.

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appreciate it, we appreciate the feedback and everything, and yeah, keep it coming,

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Yeah, no, really appreciate guys, and you know, as I said, any questions, anything you

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want us to talk about, want us to do, just let us know, you know, through Instagram,

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thread, email, whatever, just fire them over our way and we'll pick them up.

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But for now, as Jack said, we're looking at episodes four and five, Aliens of London and

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World War Three, and far away, JP, what did you think?

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You know what, I did have very mixed feelings about this, and it's actually more coming

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from a practical point rather than the actual story.

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Okay, but I've got to say, for a sci fi story, an alien attack in London that then progresses

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into just an invasion that's already happened.

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I mean, look, all I'm saying, Marvel copied the story, you know, this secret invasion,

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they're doing it as a new thing and everything like that, but yeah, Doctor Who did it, you

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know, nearly 20 years ago.

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Doctor Who did it first, yeah, exactly, secret invasion of...

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Yeah, exactly.

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No, I've got to say, really, really good.

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I mean, it's just, yeah, it's brilliant.

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It was really brilliant.

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I mean, the first note I've got is I clocked that I was assuming that they went back to,

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you know, they were going to go back to go see Rosie's mom, see Mickey and everything

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like that.

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And the first thing is, I thought that nice to know that London hasn't changed in nearly

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20 years, you know, it's still the same architecture that just hasn't changed, which...

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It is.

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Well, it hasn't changed for hundreds of years, really, to be fair.

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What, the Shard has popped up, the Gherkins popped up, I think that's about it, though,

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really.

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Let me ask you this, though, JP.

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This is the least well-received episodes of this series, the worst rated according to

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IMDB.

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Do you agree or do you disagree so far?

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Probably agree with what I've seen so far.

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I think it was probably the weaker episode.

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Are we saying it's both four and five or are we just saying four?

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Four and five, they're both the two worst reviewed of this season.

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I mean, it was a bit almost slapstick in some places, I guess, for the gas exchange and

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everything, which I could see why, you know, kind of if you like Bolter Who, I can't imagine

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you're someone that is watching something to watch, you know, for slapstick purposes.

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I feel like you're there for more, you know, kind of what I'd call intelligent humor,

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you know, something like that.

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But it is a kid show.

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It is a kid show, which is why I think they made all the fat people the aliens.

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But, you know, what kids are like that?

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Did you like the subtle social commentary?

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I didn't pick up on it the first hundred times I've watched it, of fat politicians with

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hot air inside them just gas all the time.

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Yeah, it took me ages to pick up on that very subtle bit of social commentary, as I said.

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Did you get it?

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Yeah, no, I got it.

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I got it.

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I think it's still relevant now to be honest.

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I reckon we should do it.

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We should do a test in there.

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You know, just get everybody to eat a raw pickle, like, you know, kind of in a jar.

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And I'm saying at least a third, maybe, you know.

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Well, I was actually thinking a similar thing, right?

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If this was to happen nowadays with the real life government, we don't really have any

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fat politicians anymore, to be fair, do we?

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Do you reckon they'd fit inside Boris?

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Probably Boris.

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Yeah, definitely Boris.

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Definitely not Jacob Rees-Mogg.

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No, definitely not.

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He's a beanpole.

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You know, you're not fitting a hamster in there.

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Well, he's definitely a different species of alien.

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Yeah, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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Who else, to be honest?

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Dianne Abbott, definitely Dianne Abbott.

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Who else?

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Who else?

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I'd say Boris, definitely Boris Johnson.

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I don't really know any more politicians.

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Duncan Smith is it somewhere?

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I think Scotland's definitely got a few, I don't even know if he is Scottish, actually,

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but definitely Scotland's got the fatter MPs, I would say.

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I don't know.

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I mean, admittedly, I don't actually watch a lot of, you know, kind of politics on TV.

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It's important, but it's not the kind of thing that I'm watching TV for.

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So I only know people that kind of make fuck-ups and end up on the front page of the newspaper

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and I walk past and go, oh, look at that guy.

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There could be, there could be.

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But no, I thought it was a very, very interesting story.

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But there was a few minor things that did kind of irk me.

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And I can see why, if you're a fan of kind of clean cut stuff, why that might be not,

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you know, why it wouldn't have been as well received as something else.

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Do you want to start with that stuff or start with the good stuff?

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Let's start with that stuff.

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We'll get the bad stuff out of the way and then we'll finish on the good stuff, always

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finish on the high.

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So I mean, the main thing for me is it was just like, it was really, really weird because

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it was just, everything was so like, security was so lax.

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You know, it was just like, and I'll go right from the start, like right from the start,

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they're in the hospital and you know, you've got all these people going back and forward

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and you're like, all right, so we've got this alien species that's come down, we've transported

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the body, everything, all that.

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And you've got the doctor there with no gloves, no mask, no nothing like that.

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She just like, yeah, you know, I'm just like, surely, you know, just anyone could walk in.

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I know he was like the, you know, the general or something like that, but it was just like,

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you know, and then the doctor turns up.

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And I know the doctor's very, you know, kind of charismatic and he's very, you know, you

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almost get a feeling that this guy knows what he's talking about, but you've got these guys

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that, you know, the soldiers there.

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Yeah, I'm assuming the most highly trained.

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And then he just pops stuff in the middle of their smoke break and he just goes, right,

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let's do a Delta plan.

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Let's go.

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And then they just, yeah, Delta plan D, which is just run down a corridor.

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Yeah.

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And I'm just like, yeah, it's just incredible.

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And yeah, I just, I, it's very, very, you know, the bit where, where the, the actual,

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where they're chasing them through down in street.

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And they're like, don't go upstairs.

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It's just like, yeah, with the soldiers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Surely there'd be like loads of noise upstairs and as a serving police officer or close protection

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or so you'd go, maybe I should go investigate out there.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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There's a lot of hand waving to be done in these episodes.

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Yeah, no, no, definitely, definitely.

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And it was, you know, it was, it was literally just, I mean, yeah, where was it?

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I'll put, I'll just, yeah, that would I put, I just said, yeah, security, security is bad.

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You know, nobody looks in the car.

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There's just so many things in that those two episodes that are convenient for the plot.

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And the only reason they happen is to just serve the plot.

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And it's not too bad if you do, you know, a few subtle things like going back to episode

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one with the, with the ID card he chose him.

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It's just, I can't remember what did he call it?

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The ID card.

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That's just everything.

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It's just whatever you need.

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It is.

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Oh, the psychic.

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That's it.

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Psychic papers, you know, something like that, you know, a universal translator, even the

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sonic screwdriver, you know, it's just a plot device that just helps carry the story.

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So one isn't bad, but when you've, when you've pretty much got not one, but two episodes

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based on plot, you know, kind of things that happen, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just, I don't know.

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It was, it almost seemed a bit forced, but yeah, I think that was, you know, that was

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it.

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So what should we do?

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Should we go through the good parts and then go chronologically or how do you want to do

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this?

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Yeah, I mean, just touching on a few points that you've raised already, the doctor that

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wasn't wearing any PPE, she comes back as a main character in the torch with TV series.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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So actually to our listeners, let us know if you want to do torchwood when we get there

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because we could do one episode, torches one episode, doc two, like as it releases simultaneously.

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I would quite like to go through that with you.

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That torchwoods fucking scary shit man, compared to this.

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Like it's still scary.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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It's brutal, mate.

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Glory as hell.

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Oh, there was one.

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And so the soldiers, right?

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Unit.

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He calls them the United Nations intelligence task force, right?

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Unit.

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Yeah.

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In every other series, it's called the unified intelligence task force because the United

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Nations complained apparently that they were using their name without their permission.

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They had to change it from United Nations to unified.

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How funny is that?

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Well, that's the only actual thing that the United Nations have done that have had any

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kind of effect.

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Wow, they complained about a Doctor Who episode.

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And do you reckon there was one guy at the United Nations that was just sent there at

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the time, it probably would have been sent around Bahia, wouldn't it?

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They were just like, we've been mentioned on the, on Doctor Who.

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They're just like one of the high ups of the United Nations walk past and was like, nope,

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I'm not evident in any of this.

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Right.

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Who do I know at the BBC?

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That's it.

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That's quite funny, actually.

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I got bored though.

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Like, just very strange.

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I know, isn't it?

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How funny is the United Nations?

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How uncool.

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Oh dear.

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I have one other question for you as well.

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Rose's hair.

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Did you notice her weird little Jedi paddle one braid that she had throughout this?

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I did.

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You know what, that was one of the points I put down.

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It's the most distracting thing I've ever seen.

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I mean, there was nothing in the episode about it.

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Is it something that is explained further down the line or is that just, it just was

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there?

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I mean, that's the series running Easter egg that I've just given you a hint to.

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She just actually slowly like, in the final episode of season one of Doctor Who, she actually

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comes out looking like Princess Leia at the end of Return of the Jedi.

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It's just like a lot of Ewoks that are just hidden in the set and they're just like, that

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is the hidden alien species.

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The Ewoks are really for some reason good at planning here.

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It just, I'd never noticed it before.

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And in light of that, I never knew the Slyvene had a little tail as well.

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That's something that I'd never ever in a million years have picked up on.

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And I was like, they've got tails, what the fuck?

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I mean, they were based on lizards.

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I mean, I quite liked how they, when they blinked or here we go, here's the question,

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is it blinked or blank?

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The triple one it is.

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Blinked?

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I know.

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Blinked or blank?

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Anyway, whenever they blinked, it went kind of like the slit was vertical rather than

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horizontal.

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Yeah.

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Probably like a lizard.

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I like that.

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It's a really weird, like kind of, almost like a baby face.

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Like with the, you know, the really chubby cheeks and everything.

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That was a bit of a weird design, but...

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I really like the design.

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Yeah.

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Are you a fan or?

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Yeah, no, I am.

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It's weird, wonderful.

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It's everything you want from an alien species really.

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Well you'll be pleased to know that they come back.

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Actually in this series, they come back, I think.

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Well, yeah, they're bargain hunters, you know, they're caught in retribution.

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Can you remember the planet that they're from, JP?

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This always comes up in Doctor Who quizzes and stuff.

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No, and honestly, I can't.

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I think it's Raxacora Cofallipatorius.

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And I hate that I know that.

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I hate how much of a geek this podcast is outing me to be, but...

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I tell you what though, remind me, the next time we go to a Doctor Who themed podcast,

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I'm just going to have you just on speakerphone on the table.

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And I'll be like, right, Josh, over to you.

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You know, this is it.

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This is your time to shine.

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Yeah, no, because that's right, because there's a really interesting thing.

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I know with Skipper there, but it's that really interesting thing when they're trying to narrow

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it down.

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Yes, yes, right there, right there.

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Yeah, I thought that was that was very cool.

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But yeah, so yeah, no, so should we start chronologically?

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Yeah, fire away, JP.

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Yeah, of course.

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So the interesting thing is, for me, I wondered, because of course, I know you mentioned about

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the Easter eggs and everything.

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He was like, an example you gave was there was someone trying to contact the doctor throughout

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the season.

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And I wondered if because there's a kid right at the start, the graffiti's bad wolf onto

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the TARDIS.

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Yes.

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And of course, at the end of the episode, the end of the second episode, the kids cleaning

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off while the doctors there watching him.

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Yeah, which I quite love.

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I mean, yeah, it's the best way to do it.

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You know, you definitely learn from your mistakes and everything.

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But I wondered if that potentially could have been like bad wolf as in, you know, some kind

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of alien wolf thing.

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But then the fact that they cleaned it off at the end, maybe think maybe not.

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If it had been more significant, they probably would have kept it or only shown it once.

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But yeah, very interesting that they messed up with the time.

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They went a year later as opposed to 10 seconds or a minute later.

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That's a really interesting concept, right?

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Yeah, I mean, it makes it's just very well.

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And again, that's how time works for me, isn't it?

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You know, they could go off for what is perceived as Rose and the doctor for five years and

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then come back and it was only gone 10 seconds.

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I think that's the coolest thing.

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That's the thing I really couldn't get my head around.

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You know, and again, how the second episode ended.

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It was like, wow, that yeah, that makes sense.

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They literally could come back 10 seconds later and then they could have had six seasons

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worth of content.

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Adventures, yeah.

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That's it.

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So I like that.

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I've got to say, though, Rosie's mom had the best line in any episode so far where she

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goes up and she's like, you're a doctor, stitch this and just absolutely slaps the doctor.

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I just like that is brilliant.

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I'm now going to start using that in my life because I feel like that is something I need

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to, you know, if you're a doctor, stitch this.

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Yeah, that's what it is.

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Yeah, I think we found that the doctor is not, no, I don't, I put looking good for 900

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years old.

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No, it wasn't the doctor.

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He was the doctor.

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It was established that he's 900 years old.

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I'm not sure you may have to correct me on this one, but he's I mean, does he count when

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he regenerates?

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Because I know that he regenerates.

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That's something I know.

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It is completely unknown.

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He's throughout like, um, Eccleston and Tennant is pretty consistent.

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His age, he's tends to be pretty consistent.

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And then when Moffat takes over, it's just all over the place.

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He's been alive for a thousand years, 900 years, 10, like all over the place.

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So his age isn't really a thing.

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But yeah, throughout Russell's era, he tends to keep on referring to himself as about 900

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years old.

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Okay, cool.

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So yeah, so it's not, I mean, does that count in the regeneration?

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So let's say if he regenerates, he still counts him.

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So he doesn't start from one again or does he start from one again?

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I don't, I don't know.

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I thought that might be actually a good way around it because every doctor does give different,

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like it's so inconsistent.

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Maybe that is the answer, but yeah, it's never sort of, or to date, it hasn't really been

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revealed yet.

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But yeah, I think for the purpose of these series, he's about 900 years old.

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Can we speak that bit when he's on the rooftop with Rose and they're talking about the age

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and everything.

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I love that she just goes, you're so gay.

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I'm like, oh yeah, this is, yeah, this is a 20 year old TV program.

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Yeah.

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I remember now.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's certain things, you know, you watch and I know that things have kind

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of moved on and everything for the better, my eyes, you know, but you do get now and

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again, it just like you, you almost like wince, didn't you?

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You just think, oh yeah, that's, you know, especially the BBC as well, you know,

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But that threw me, that threw me because Russell is gay.

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Russell is like a big activist in the gay community and he's gay himself.

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So I looked up and he did, there's an interview where he says he just included it because

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that's how people spoke back then.

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Not an insult.

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That's just, people would say that if you came, like, you know, we were at school at

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this time, if you'd have come in with like a bright pink rucksack or something, we'd

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have gone, look at you, that's gay.

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If you did something uncool, it would be gay.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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It's, it's a very, I mean, you know, kind of without devianting too much, Only Fools

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on Horses actually kind of portrayed this the best because if you watch some of the

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first kind of episodes in the Only Fools on Horses, they do use some, you know, terms

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and they do use language today that isn't appropriate now.

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Yes.

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However, as time went on, because of course, Only Fools on Horses ran for a while, and

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I'm assuming this is the same with Doctor Who as well, as it went on, of course, you

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know, things changed and you know, what people couldn't say and everything like that kind

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of progressed.

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You then noticed that they kind of, they actually tailor the characters, the way that they speak,

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like they'd actually speak like someone that was there and then rather than speaking like

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someone that was in the past and going, oh, well, you know, we're just keeping up tradition

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and everything.

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They, they progress the characters forward with the times.

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Yeah.

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Especially when you've got a character like Del Boy who is so desperate to fit in with

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whatever's called at the time.

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Yeah.

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It totally makes sense.

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No, that's it.

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That's it.

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And again, it's one of those things like, you know, us looking back in 2004, you know,

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at 2005, people would have said that all the time.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, it was just, it was just the common thing, you know?

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And it's just, you know, it's not, put it this way, it's not the end of the world because

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it, you know, it could, it could just be that, you know, actually it's a compliment, but

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at the same time, it's probably not.

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If, if I was, if I was going to head for a bet, she probably used that as an insult rather

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than a compliment, but hey, is what it is.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, how good does that crash look as well though?

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Yeah.

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I mean, the, the, the, the, the, like, it was, I've got to say the CGI for the spaceship

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going through big Ben was very good.

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I, I, I've got to say for a BBC, uh, you know, series that didn't have the biggest budget

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in the world, you can tell that they went, you know, they, they just put, they, they

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went all in and they went, well, we're going to make this a big CGI thing.

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We're going to try and get as many people in as possible and then further down the line,

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we'll try and keep them in.

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And I've got to say, it looks incredible.

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The only weird thing is though, when the spaceship crashed, I'm sure it made a truck hall.

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I did pick up on that as well.

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And of course watching the series, I mean, I've had to take a few notes out of, you know,

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kind of out of my notes because, you know, it was just like, there was a few things I

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was like, Oh, well, you know, why didn't, why didn't the spaceship just landed the river

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before of course, you know, further down the line, you find that it's a, it's an entire

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plot and that's why I didn't.

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Yes.

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But it was just like things, things like that.

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But the only thing I couldn't work out is I was like these aliens, they've got all of

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this, you know, kind of access to intergalactic technology and yet they put a truck on a crash

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in the spaceship.

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Couldn't work that one out.

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But anyway, so that's, yeah, so that's, that's that.

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But yeah, no, the, the only thing that actually, in fact, I didn't actually have time to do

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it, but the army pull up when, when the first, yeah, when the spaceship crashes, everything

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goes into lockdown, the inverted commerce, the crack team of the soldiers turn up and

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there's, there's a number on the side of a truck, which is, they don't really do it anymore.

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Or at least I've not seen it, but you know, it's like sometimes they're like, Oh, how's

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my driving?

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And you had a number on there.

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Well, one of them turned up on the side and it had that on the side.

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I was like, is that a thing that they'd actually would have put on a truck?

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Or was that just that they borrowed someone's truck and they couldn't like take it over

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or something?

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Good question.

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Yeah.

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You didn't call it, no?

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Didn't call it because it was an 0800 number.

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And to be honest, you know, it's 0800 numbers are expensive now.

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You're not ready to invest in the podcast that much yet.

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Oh, well, you know, I mean, like it's anybody's listening that wants to sponsor and you know,

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enable me to ring an 0800 number to find out it's just actually a number that doesn't work.

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You know, please feel free.

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But now it almost, I didn't have time.

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I just ran out of time.

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Cause I, the problem is, is I wanted to watch the two episodes as close together as possible.

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Yeah.

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Cause I didn't want to leave as much time, you know, I wanted to go straight off the

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bat and I literally only did it a couple of days ago.

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So I haven't really had time to kind of miss just, I've got to get the episodes, watch

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got to watch them.

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And as I said, wanted to watch them back to back, which, which I'm glad I did with fairness.

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Yeah.

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No, no, good.

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I just want to say is what the Big Ben thing, not CGI, they use miniatures and they smashed

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the miniature.

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That's how they did it.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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I thought that was pretty cool.

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No CGI for that Big Ben crash.

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It's interesting because that didn't look like, I wouldn't, again, I know the time has

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passed on since the, you know, the original Star Wars films, but you can tell that they're

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miniatures.

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Yes.

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You know, the way they move is very stop motion and everything like that.

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But that didn't, that Big Ben and the spaceship didn't actually look like kind of figurines

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or anything.

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They are fair play to them.

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They've done that really well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It looks really cool.

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Right.

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So moving on, what did you think of like all the news reports and everything?

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Brilliant.

475

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Blue Peter was on there as well.

476

00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,800

You know, you got to love it.

477

00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,800

Old style 2005 style Blue Peter.

478

00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,800

I love it.

479

00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,800

I think that's brilliant.

480

00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:56,080

And again, it's how I remember the news being like back in 2005.

481

00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,080

You know, that was the thing.

482

00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,040

I mean, nowadays when they're like kind of, you know, kind of shipping a body away from

483

00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,920

a scene or saying all that, they put screens up and everything.

484

00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:04,920

But not back then.

485

00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,920

They were, you know, the journalists were everywhere.

486

00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,920

They were like, yeah, go on.

487

00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,800

We're going to hide in the bin or like literally going on the crane or something just to get

488

00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,800

the shot.

489

00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,800

And they'd be like, yeah, put it on TV.

490

00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,440

That's that's what nobody's ever going to get that kind of emotional trauma for that.

491

00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,880

I love the idea that they just left the nearest bridge open and you've just got the punters

492

00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,880

on this bridge.

493

00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,880

You've got to lose count.

494

00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,880

I'm like, come on.

495

00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,800

That would so not happen if that was the case.

496

00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,800

Oh, yeah.

497

00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,800

Oh, yeah.

498

00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,800

For sure.

499

00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,800

Especially when London's like completely, I mean, London's grid lots are the best at

500

00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,800

times.

501

00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,840

But, you know, the fact that they couldn't drive anywhere, it's just like, how did so

502

00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840

many people get on the bridge?

503

00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,920

And so I'll go on, mate.

504

00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,920

I was to say, there's one there's one newscaster run along and he's just like, look, the taxi

505

00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,920

stopped.

506

00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,920

We got to go.

507

00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,040

And he's just running along with his cameraman behind him, just legging it through the streets

508

00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,480

of London to make it to the bridge.

509

00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,400

You know, it's yeah, they made me chuckle.

510

00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,600

So this will make you laugh.

511

00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,880

The reason that whenever you see the news or Blue Peter and stuff, it's like a filming

512

00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,240

of a TV rather than like the news report actually being on the screen is because there's a law

513

00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,080

or there was a law in place at the time where you couldn't like in an entertainment show,

514

00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,680

you couldn't broadcast a fake news because there was a fear that people would believe

515

00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,680

it was real.

516

00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,760

So the way to get around it was you'd have to film it on the telly on the TV.

517

00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,120

I can love that is just the most ridiculous rule I've ever fucking heard.

S1 E4&5 - Aliens of London/World War Three

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