S1 E3 - The Unquiet Dead

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Sep 14, 2023

19 min read

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Has that changed anything?

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That has yeah.

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Have I gone higher or lower?

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I think you've gone higher like you're in Hymian there Hymian.

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What about now?

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Oh my god, it's a fucking, I don't know.

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Who's um...

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I think he said Bill Cosby, but Bill Cosby doesn't really have a low voice.

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Is it, that's normal now?

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No.

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No?

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No?

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No!

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I'm not saying.

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What about now?

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Yeah, you're about to know that yeah. And this week I'm recording with fucking Brian Blessing.

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Right anyway, come on, right, you ready?

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I'm ready when you are.

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Alright. Hello everybody and welcome to episode three of Doctor Who.

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As always I'm Josh and my co-host with me as always is Jack.

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Hi there.

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That was a cocked out intro right up, but we'll stick with it.

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Hopefully this episode is going to be more interesting than the actual episode of Doctor Who.

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But Jack, what are your overall thoughts on the episode?

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See, it's really funny you say that because I really like this episode of Doctor Who.

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So I actually sat there and watched it on the train and I'm glad I watched it on the train surrounded by people.

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Because I've got to say, I thought it was a proper creepy episode.

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I'm shocked by that.

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I've always had this in my head as one of the more boring episodes of the first.

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And I was watching it and thought, this is nothing.

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This isn't really anything.

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Before we dive into your thoughts and a bit more depth, shout out to our Instagram crew.

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We've got, I'm just going to give a few quick shouts.

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Marcus the cardboard sculpture.

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He says it's Dickens quality, not subject quality.

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Evelyn Dark.

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She says it's Dickens quality.

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We've got Marcus Bosworth here.

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He says it's Dickens quality and Cameron as well.

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So thank you guys for reacting to our post.

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And then we also had a lovely message from somebody who, if I can remember correctly, is called.

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Bear with me just for a second.

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Getting the real professionalism here, you know.

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We're doing well.

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And then we also had a lovely message from our friend, Paul Berry Lucy.

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She was very kind.

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She said that it's a great idea.

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She loves the podcast.

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She's did a similar thing with her boyfriend recently.

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So she said she's looking forward to seeing our thoughts and stuff.

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Jack, so you said you were happy you didn't watch it on your own.

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So what did you think?

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You clearly like the episode.

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Yeah, no, I really did.

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Which is really weird to hear you say that you didn't like the episode.

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You thought it was one of the worst episodes of this season.

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I was I was sitting there thinking, did we actually watch the same episode?

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But it's nothing.

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Is it?

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No, no, it's good.

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I mean, the ending was a little bit rushed.

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It did seem like a bit of a cop out right at the end.

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But the actual build up throughout the episode, I thought was really good.

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I'll give you.

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I was.

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Yeah, go on.

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Yeah, no, I was just say I thought it was quite a good episode.

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The intro in line with the next time trailer from last night was pretty terrifying.

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I'll give you that.

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I sort of couldn't really exactly remember what happened at first as well.

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Straight off the bat.

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Next map.

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Boom. Love it.

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That's dark.

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Yeah.

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No, my first note is straight off the bat with creepiness.

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It was straight away undertaker.

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You're in there.

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It's dark.

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It's gloomy.

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It's Victorian.

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And I don't know.

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I don't know about you, but the Torian times to me always seems very creepy.

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There's always like a kind of I don't know.

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It just is anything to do with Victorian times.

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You just all that's a bit creepy.

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You know, it just doesn't seem natural.

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And it did actually get me thinking what now do we do that people in the future are going to go?

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That's really creepy, isn't it?

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Yeah. Well, like she says, when she has a flash forward thing, people move in metal boxes.

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That was my Welsh accent.

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But no, I think it's a truly terrifying.

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I think the actual Victorian era is a period that does not interest me in the slightest.

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I think that's maybe why I have that disconnect with anything as well.

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Pride and prejudice.

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And I can't think of anything else set in that time range, but just bores me.

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I'm just not interested.

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But yeah, you get an actual crunching neck snap, which you don't get very often.

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And then you've just got the calmest of Welsh men.

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Just, oh, no, another one.

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And he just gets on with it.

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I fucking love that.

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That was the thing that exactly what I put down on my notes as well.

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It was just he just goes, oh, not another one.

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And I'm like, two times has this actually happened before you consider it a problem?

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Because to me, like, you know, where I'm working in an office, you know, I'd say, oh, no,

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you know, the print was jammed or the complex on cold water.

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You know, it's not that one of my clients' mums has just got up out of a casket and just walked off before.

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Not before killing her son and not just killing her son like a brutal, as you say, it was a brutal neck snap.

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And it was just like, oh, no, you're right.

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I think he says later on, it's like, oh, blah, blah, blah.

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I can get a select system on the cheap.

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I think I am this Welsh man.

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This guy is brilliant.

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Yeah, no, agree.

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I wish all problems in life.

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I just had the kind of thought process of that Welsh man.

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You know, you just like, oh, no, my house is burned down.

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How it's happened again.

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You know, what a shame.

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We move on to the side.

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The dead are walking.

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You know, it could be the apocalypse.

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This is probably some religious context here.

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And he's just like, well, we could save the world, but we try to keep costs down if we do, because I relate to that.

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Yeah, keep them costs down.

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Yeah, you know, make rates at an exorcism.

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Everyone needs a priest, you know, you know, none of this.

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I've got a friend that's a plumber and electrician.

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No, no, no, you need a man.

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You know, that is an exorcist.

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And he's just like, yeah, I'll do it for you on the cheap.

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You know, buy me a pint and a couple of packs of crisps.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Would have come in handy on some of our hangover phase as well.

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I would imagine.

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But we haven't spoken about it yet.

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The opening titles, Jack, what do you think of that?

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I am through the vortex and the music swelling and the names flying.

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What do you reckon?

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You're right.

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We haven't because it's been all the same.

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The kind of the past two episodes as well.

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I mean, it's pretty iconic.

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The music itself is pretty iconic.

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You know, you could say even I knew the Doctor Who music, you know, you know, it's one of those things you hear that theme tune and anybody knows that's the Doctor Who theme intro.

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Now I've got to say that the time vortex is not kind of actually going through the time vortex.

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I think it's not a bad I mean, I'm no physicist.

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I did it at a level, but didn't do very well.

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It should be said, but the that's why I'm looking at those Cambridge classes that you were doing.

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Yeah, they went well.

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They did. They were really, really well.

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But no, the thing is, is, you know, you're in theory, the time and light is bending around the TARDIS and it's moving through.

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So of course, it's moving through, it's bending around.

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So I'm assuming that if he was behind the TARDIS, it would look like you're moving through like a kind of like a tube.

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And yeah, I know I'm guessing they probably got a few guys.

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They picked the brains on and went, by the way, in theory, what do you think this would look like?

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Almost like what Christopher Nolan did with Interstellar with the black hole, you know, when they go around the black hole.

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I actually haven't seen it.

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Oh, my God. I know. I know.

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I think you've read way too much into this.

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I just it's just traveling through a time portal.

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I don't know. Well, it's about light bending and all this.

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And enlightened.

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You've lost me.

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No, easy, easy.

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Simple physics. I say simple physics, but we haven't mastered those kind of physics yet.

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But they're theories. They're theories.

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They're theories. But no, I've got to say it's as you said, the music swells.

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You know, it kind of starts off quietly. And then by the end, you're like you're almost raring to go with the episode.

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You're like, right. Imagine I'm sure I mean, do they stick with the same theme tune lights throughout the seasons or there's there's so like throughout Russell's era, there's slight variations on it.

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And then it kind of changes with Stephen Moffat, but it sort of stays the same. And again, it's just slight variations. And then it's a total rebrand for chip Nolera, which everybody likes.

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But anyway, one of the names that pops up is it's written by Mark Gatiss, who in future episodes, he comes up as an actor and as a repeat writer for the series as well.

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I fucking love Mark Gatiss. He's brilliant.

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Did you ever watch the Sherlock with Benedict Cumberbatch, right?

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No, I never watched that. My favorite Sherlock Holmes was funny as the Robert Downey Jr. one with the Guy Ritchie, the Guy Ritchie version. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, very cool. Jude Law. Yeah, Jude Law. Yeah, I did.

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They're making a third one, right? I think that's just coming to the apparently so. Yeah, apparently so.

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Anyway, so Mark Gatiss wrote those Sherlock's with Stephen Moffat, which obviously everybody loved back in the day. Did you watch the new Dracula show that came out? He also wrote that with Stephen Moffat.

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He does some really good stuff, but I've gone through the episodes that he's written. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

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Okay, so he's written 10 episodes. Okay, one of them is good. A push. It's not even that great. One of them is good. Yeah, he's not really. He doesn't do it for me. I really like him whenever he's an actor in Doctor Who.

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I really like all these other stuff. I don't think he knows how to work. This is for me. This is this is subpar. This is not a good episode of Doctor Who.

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It's interesting. I mean, I could try and I mean, well, it's going to come up in the kind of the opening titles anyway that he you know he writes it, but it's going to be interesting to see because as I say I like this episode, it's going to be interesting to see if future episodes he writes, you know, whether I like them or not.

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Whether yeah whether they're up to your standard. Yeah, be interesting. We'll keep an eye on that as you come on.

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So yeah so they they they land the TARDIS, they're in that they're at Christmas, for some reason, even though I had to look it up this episode at the ninth of April.

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Right, I'm glad you said that because I actually put was this a Christmas special. Yeah, I saw the same thing. Yeah. I was like, I mean, I know you can set, you know you can set an episode any, you know, anytime and I suppose that's the point that Doctor Who you can set it

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up on whatever date, but it was a bit weird that they decided to do it at Christmas.

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I agree. What's the narrative sort of reason behind that I don't think there is one right okay you've got the Christmas Carol and the Charles Dickens that will make sense, but it wouldn't have made a difference if you'd have sort of done it at any point in history

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Yeah, no exactly exactly I mean, yeah, again I don't know if there was a Christmas special in this season, but you know surely you could have another episode where they go back in time, and then have this one later on in the season as a special because one of my, my, my final note for this

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was Christmas Carol, because it to me it did remind me of Christmas Carol, you know with Charles Dickens actually being screwed, where he's going through the streets and he's all happy and he's, you know, kind of, he, he's kind of got that Christmas spirit back and I was like that would have been a really

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good Christmas episode you know especially as a, you know, for the first season, you going back to Charles Dickens, you know, Christmas Carol that's that's perfect that is Christmas there and then I mean you think how many versions are the Christmas Carol, the ones of them, because that's your traditional

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Christmas story, but yeah yeah no it doesn't really make any sense to me, I guess, I don't know, I don't know maybe it was always planned to be a Christmas episode and the scheduling changed I don't know how these things work. But what do you think of Charles Dickens?

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I thought it was, yeah I mean I actually had to look up because they made it very clear because they don't actually the doctor and Rose don't actually realize they're in Cardiff first I can't remember where he says he, where he says he thinks they are

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in Naples, that's it Naples, he says Naples, and of course straight away when you hear the two with the Welsh accents I'm like that's not an Italian accent, like you know the BBC have messed this one up a little bit and then it was like no we're in Cardiff, it's like okay fair enough.

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And then I had to look up because they were very insistent that Charles Dickens was in Wales and everything like so, you know I'm assuming there was some kind of records so I actually looked it up, and what's interesting is they say that they originally start off saying it's Naples 1859.

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And I'm like oh Charles and it says Charles Dickens was never in Naples, you know kind of in Cardiff in 1859. And then they say no it's 1869 and he actually was apparently in Wales in 1869.

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For Christmas?

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No, it wasn't for Christmas.

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No, it wasn't Christmas when he was there he covered I think there was a shipwreck off of the coast of the coast of Wales, and he covered it as like a kind of almost like a journalist piece.

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Oh wow. And then literally a couple of months later he unfortunately passed away. But I really like that kind of attention to detail.

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Yeah, that's quite cool.

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You know, and that kind of almost takes me on to my next kind of point as well was because this is the first time they've gone in the past. Yeah, and the doctor actually explains it further in the episode but the question I put down was the butterfly effect

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you know the butterfly effect that you get a butterfly then snowballs and it goes in and I'm sitting there thinking, is that going to be something they touch on or are they just going to gloss over it and just hope that nobody, you know, noticed or anything like that

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and they actually he then explains that what you do in the blood if you change the past it then not kind of affects the future. So, what if you go back, you know, whatever happened in the past always goes back to that future.

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Yeah, yeah, we've heard you know complicated things now that they sort of thread they just sort of have wave it away that it's, you know, you don't change too much and nothing.

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Yeah, it's the supposed to happen kind of thing so they're supposed to go back in time and things are supposed to happen that lead to the future. So yeah, I kind of like that I think I think it's quite a, you know, interesting thing I mean it's the complete opposite of back to the future

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because if you do something in the past that's different, it changes your future, but yeah I think for ease of kind of the audience and everything like I think that that's the better way to do it because it just avoids all this kind of complex parallels and all this actually happened

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or this didn't happen and everything like so I thought okay that's fair enough but the interesting thing as well is because of course he's doing a reading isn't he she the old woman corpse goes to watch Charles Dickens do a reading.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you did Dickens read his own place is that how it was back in the day you didn't have to be performing it seemed weird to me.

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Well I'm assuming so there was no cinema you know you couldn't go watch the latest thing cinema or

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was it not be a play.

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I don't know. I mean, it could be I suppose you know if you've got a playwright or something like Shakespeare, for example, we know that Shakespeare wrote plays and the plays are performed, but I suppose it might have been something I mean they do.

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They do book readings all the time. Even you know you'll get an author that will do a book reading so I'm assuming it was like a special occasion kind of thing and people pay good money because you can tell they look like the posh Victorians you know with the tall hats and the

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posh ears and everything like that you could tell they were the posh Victorians I'm assuming people paid good money to listen to Charles Dickens but what was really interesting is of course, I thought that they were going to start off with.

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This was going to inspire a Christmas Carol.

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So did I yeah even read it I was like that must be where this is going.

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Exactly, because even in the undertaker's as well maybe that's going to be like the ghost of the Christmas putt like going to be a ghost of Christmas past the same or that. But then of course he starts reading that Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol and I was like, I feel like they've missed one there, I feel like they missed an opportunity to go.

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That was what inspired Charles Dickens to write A Christmas Carol, but yeah no I think the actor that played Charles Dickens was was very good.

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I mean, you know, never met Charles Dickens myself. Don't know what he's actually like, but I feel like if you know if he was about to say probably, probably be like that.

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So, I love the actor Simon Canada I think he's in like four weddings or something like that. But I really fucking think this Dickens is so fucking boring.

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Yeah, but there's an interview with the actor Simon Canada and he's like I desperately didn't want to do this. I kept on making them rewrite the script, until it was like, until, because he's played Dickens hundreds of times on stage and films on TV and he was like the

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original script was so unfaithful I had them to get me to rewrite it so that it would be more true to the, to the actual character I think that maybe did it a disservice to me because I found I find him quite boring you know.

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Yeah, but again he's a, he's an author in the Victorian times.

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It's a creative license it's not to it's not edutainment, which is what I feel like this is sometimes this episode. Yeah, maybe. Well, definitely not when they're doing not the excesses and more something but I must, I must say that I love the bit with him and the

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character in the carriage, and he's like, Oh, do you mind if I call you Charles, Charlie, and I'm your biggest fan and he's like what's up, how do you resemble a cooling machine and all this. That's, that's good stuff.

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The funny thing is is of course because as they're running out the theater to go to rescue Rose. Of course Charles Dickens is very skeptical.

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He gets all illusions and he doesn't believe the doctor and everything and it does make me laugh because he mentions about the jumper as well as that I've even changed the jumper.

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It was just like brilliant. I like that. That's, he, of course, Charles Dickens is very skeptical and the doctor jumps in Charles Dickens is carriage doesn't it.

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Yeah, I was in those characters this. Yeah, Charles Dickens is like oh it's mine. He's very skeptical is not going to let go, and I just feel like the thoughts have played it brilliantly because he knows the child, a man not Charles Dickens of course

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doesn't have an ego, you know he knows he's an intelligent writer bestseller everything about that. And I'll just put he was just stroking the old ego, you know it was just like oh I'm your biggest fan and I love this and I love that and then suddenly Charles Dickens is like right, follow that

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you know and it's just like, I feel like the, I mean, I'm not saying for one second the doctor wasn't a big fan, but I feel like he knew how to get involved quickly. Yeah, no no, and you know the Charlie thing I mean he says only the women call me Charlie or something like that.

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Exactly. Yeah, I also like the bit where he knocks on the door and he hears a stream he goes, what the Shakespeare is going on. Yeah, right. And he's what the Dickens is going on right that's what you'd say what the dick is apparently I had to Google it to be bad but

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yeah I thought that was quite a funny little moment as well.

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Yeah, so he's good writing. I don't know what he was on about that you don't want the writing in this one is clever is just some of the writing is okay.

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Right. So, I want to jump ahead if you don't mind to the bit where Rose and Gwen are in the kitchen. By the way, I didn't realize Cassandra in the last episode.

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And so we want to make the actress couldn't be there she did all her lines and post production and all that. And it was when doing the voice for Cassandra on the day which I thought was quite fun.

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Really, that's interesting. That's interesting.

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Yeah, why, what we got. The only thing I'd say that going going back very slightly. Yeah, was, of course, the son of the woman who got out of the basket and decided to go walk about, because we know right at the start that he got his neck, you know, pretty

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well snaps and I've got the other type of you've done a brilliant job of putting that one back together. I know yeah how jackety did that like rocks up the back or something.

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I was just like, Oh, okay. I mean, again, you know, it's a he's technically a children's, you know, they're trying to, you know, make a general audience so they're not going to have to, you know, kind of any like, you know, George Romero like kind of go or anything.

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I was like, Oh, he's done a good job of, you know, kind of repairing that.

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No, the thing with the kitchen is interesting. And in fact, there is a point I want to make just slightly before. Yeah, because they're in there in what I'm assuming is the our equivalent of the living room.

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And the, she makes tea for everybody.

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Yes, and she hands, she hands the salsa to the doctor with the, yeah, with a cup on it as well. And she says I'll put two sugars in it.

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And the doctor kind of looks a little bit confused. And I was like, I wonder if she's also psychic because you get a little him, her abilities when they're going through and the undertaker's I know where is she where is she just focus where is she.

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I was I wonder she's psychic and then of course you fast forward to the bit where they're in the kitchen. And when she's speaking with Rose and she reads roses mind and accesses the memories and I was like, wow, that's incredible.

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Yeah, called the dead that I'm sure I called the dead that an episode one. You did, you did call the dead that and hold on to that as well. Hold on to that as well. Yeah.

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So as soon as soon as she was all I think she was I'm really sorry to hear about your dad or something like that. And she was I didn't say that. But you know I was like, called it I knew I called it.

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Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, that's very interesting.

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The cup of tea thing. Yeah, yeah. Again, brilliant lied brilliant reaction all that sort of stuff. However, and I went back and check this in the first episode, Rose offers the doctor a cup of tea and he goes milk no sugar.

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So I've just thrown that out there just throwing out there either she's not like a psychic or continuous.

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Well, or a third possibility in the fact that maybe she can't actually read the doctor properly.

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I like that. He's not human is it is an alien. So, you know, could could be could be a third thing, but probably a continuity error though.

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So yeah, that scene in the kitchen with Rosenthal is brilliant. So this so they obviously they mentioned the rift a couple of times. This comes up big time in Dr. Who, in the future.

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Actually, the next in this series and in the next series is a massive playing point throughout Russell's show and also the spin off series torchwood is based entirely around the riff like this is such, I didn't realize how much.

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Well, we're only three episodes in, and the amount of repeat characters we've got the amount of repeat plot threads that are being introduced like they really lay the groundwork in this series for the next five series and spin off shows it's mad.

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I could see that because they mentioned the rift was caused by the time or they were displaced by the time or exactly yeah which comes down massively in the 50th.

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Absolutely. Yeah, a lot of force.

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Yeah, I think the only the only thing I put down because it was a very light, I suppose it was to show that times have changed and, you know, kind of the whole idea of women they're not just servants in the kitchen and everything like that you know it's the show.

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It's giving hope to, you know, to, is it great if we say it was, was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's almost like her giving her hope for the future, you know, you're not always going to be a servant you're not always going to be answering, you know, kind of answering

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to and everything like you know you you've got a future.

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But the only thing I thought though is everyone learned about the Victorian times in school.

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You knew you know what the Victorian times are and it just like, Rose was surprised she was like, Oh, I didn't realize you get paid like a pound a month.

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