S1 E2 - The End of The World

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Sep 14, 2023

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Alright, hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Doctor Who. I am Josh

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and with me as always is my co-host Jack.

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Hi there.

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How's it going Jack?

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Yeah, not bad at all. You're not too bad. It was a massive relief to finally actually

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sit down and watch episode two, which I was, to be honest, I was itching all week after,

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you know, after as soon as we recorded the podcast last week, I was, I was overjoyed.

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I was like, that's it. I can sit down, I can watch episode two, I can get out of it and

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done with and I'm glad I did because I thought it was a good episode.

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Yeah, me too. I've sort of been going through our notes just before this call and because

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I was itching to watch it, I watched it straight after we recorded and we're now recording

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this episode three or four days late. So I don't know what half of my notes are referring

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to anymore, but we'll just sort of make our way through it and hope for the best. So I

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said last week that this episode is the episode that I think of when I think of Doctor Who

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on a rewatch. I think it still holds up. It's a good episode and it is, I think for me,

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it's probably the best summary of Doctor Who. What are your overall thoughts on the episode?

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Yeah, I, again, it's, you know, as I said last week, the first episode I saw was even

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though Doctor Who was the third, yeah, Rose was continuing the, you know, the Doctor Who

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series, it was still a pilot episode. It was a kind of a re-event, you know, it was 20

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years since they'd done it. So for me, this was the first true episode. This wasn't the

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pilot episode. This was the true first episode. And again, I think they hit the ground running.

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It was almost like a, it was a murder, well, technically it was a murder mystery, but it

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was a, it was a mystery. You know, it did everything that the first episode needs to

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do. It introduces you to the main characters. It gives a bit of background on the case,

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you know, true Doctor Who fashion. It showed that, you know, they are going to be showing

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very weird and wonderful alien species, people, you know, kind of backgrounds, the whole lot.

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And that's, you know, that's what we need. And I think of course, talking of weird and

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wonderful species, we do have to start this episode off with an apology because last week

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we said we would be joined by a third party. And as you can hear by only just myself and

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Josh talking, he's unfortunately not here this week, but we hope he'll join us next

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week. But, but yeah, that was a very strange segue. I didn't know where that was going

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for a second, but yeah, Bradley Fuller has flaked on us as predicted last week. Will

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he join us next week? Stay tuned. Yeah, but no, I'm going back to the episode though.

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Yeah, no. So it starts off between the Doctor and Rose there, you know, the Doctor's trying

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to show off the show Rose where, you know, kind of what the TARDIS can do. And I've got

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to say- And he's doing a creepy bicycle pump smile

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thing, right? Did you pick up on that? Yeah. I, you know what? I actually put in my notes

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a bit of sexual tension because I'm assuming, you know, it's a BBC, yeah, kind of, I suppose

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it's technically children's, but I'm assuming that there's no relation, well, apart from

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like a companionship, but I'm assuming there's no, going to be no relationship between the

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Doctor and his companion throughout, you know, kind of the rest of the season. But I did

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think there was a little bit of tension, you know, he's making direct-fire content while

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he's pumping that bicycle thing. It was very strange. You want to go further? You want

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to go further? Yeah. Yeah. It's a strange start to an episode, I've got to say. But

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yeah, what, so yeah, I love that use of the TARDIS though. I think all these like mad

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contractions, no button really does anything, but they all do something. I think that's,

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I think it's a good start. And the further, further, further, further, further, I've got

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my second note is keep it light Doctor. And I, again, it's been a while since I watched

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the episode. I can't remember what I'm referring to. I think as they get out of the TARDIS,

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he's like, yeah, you all die and everything has its time and everything ends sort of thing.

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Like fucking hell, this is your first date, basically. What are you playing at?

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Well that's it. And I've got to say, I did, I did actually put a note there saying quite

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specifically the doctor's a bit of a dick because I don't think again, it's what we

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went back to in the first episode about, you know, it's very matter of fact, it's this

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is this and that's it. He doesn't realize that Rose, Rose is watching the entire human

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race. I know they're not on the planet, but the whole planet earth just being destroyed.

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And he was just like, yeah, by the way that happens. And I just think he missed that kind

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of, and I think maybe that's what they'll try and develop is Rose will give him that

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kind of human element to things, you know, being a bit more caring, understanding emotions,

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everything like that. And yeah, I think I do agree with you. Keep it light. It was just

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suddenly, it was just so matter of fact. He was just like, by the way, this is the day

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the earth blows up and it's like, Oh, okay. Fair enough. You know, we're going to start

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on an exciting, uh, happy adventure that are we? Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. But, um, I've

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got to say it was quite interesting because my, my, actually my second note is it was

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like, you know, kind of Charlie and the chocolate factory, except instead of orange midgets,

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they were blue midgets, which was just hilarious. Um, yeah, those, those things are very strange.

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If we can, just before we touch that talking on the world blowing up, what did you think

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of the CGI in this episode and the actual, you know, explosion of the earth, the space

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station that they're on, what was the costumes and everything? What were your overall thoughts

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on that? I've seen worse, I think again, it's 2005, you know, we're, we're now what? Nearly,

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yep. Nearly 20 years ago. Um, and I think it still stands up. I've seen worse CGI now,

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to be honest. Yeah, I've seen worse CGI this year, to be honest with you. So this was by

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far the most expensive, uh, episode of the series. Almost the entire season's CGI budget

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went on this episode because they wanted the second episode to really showcase what this

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show can do. So yeah, it was by far the most expensive episode. Um, okay. The costume.

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So, Oh, actually first use of the psychic paper. What did you think of that? It's a

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plot device, I guess it's just, I don't know. And I'm going to offend a lot of, of doc,

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you know, kind of hardcore doctor who fans, but the whole, cause again, with this, yeah,

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with the psychic paper, you also saw him use the so many screwdriver as well. It was just

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a, it's almost a bit of a, you know, like the doctor's gift of their, it's a cop out.

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I feel like it's a cop out. It's just like, we need something to explain why he's here

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and how we can get away with it. By the way, he's got psychic paper. And I don't know.

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I mean, is that something that was previous, you know, kind of in the previous old who's

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that thing or is that good question? I'm not sure actually, but so it, you're right. It

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is an absolute plot device. I don't think it's quite as bad as the sonic screwdriver

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is in it. Can't do anything at any time. The only time it is really used throughout all

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of new who is just we're here. We need a reason to be here so that people aren't answering

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or asking questions. This is what we can say. So I actually don't mind it because we don't

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want to waste time on them trying to fit into the group. Do you know what I mean? And it'd

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be too, it would be too convenient if they had invitations for everything. So I think

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it works to be fair. I think it works. And it also goes to the other point I was going

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to make as well was I, you know, even though technically it's a plot device and everything

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like that, the translation thing I think works as well. Yeah. That's a genius bit of fucking

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writing that is to be fair. Because the first thing I was going to write down was 400 a

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minute. You've got all these alien species here. How comes they all speak English? You

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know, especially for a planet that doesn't, you know, I mean, not everybody speaks English

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enough. And straight away they just nipped it in the bottom there. We're just like, yep,

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by the way, the, you know, this is how it works. We just, you can just understand everyone

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and everyone can understand you. And again, I think that when you've got something like

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that that works and it furthers the story without complicating it, it's perfect. Why

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wouldn't you use it? You know, that's the beauty of sci-fi because, you know, when you've

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got sci-fi that's technically set with in the future or something like that, you can,

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you know, as a writer, you can have that and you can just say it works because future.

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Because future. Yeah. You're right. It's sort of, it explains the issue without explaining

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the issue. It's called, there's a technical term, I think it's called like lamp shading

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or hanging a lantern or something like that, which is where the Marvel movies do it. It's

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where like, you know, Thor's wearing his ridiculous outfit and someone will say, you look like

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a Shakespearean blah, blah, blah. And it helps you associate with the audience more because

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you're thinking it in your head. If a character then says it on screen or if it's then addressed

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on screen, you relate more to that character. So I think it's called lamp shading. But yeah,

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you're right. Yeah. I think it works. The translation thing absolutely thinks it works.

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So then he gets into the party, the doctor and there's plus one, and then they get introduced

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to all the different species. I fucking love that bit, man. I think it's so funny when

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all these strange creatures are coming in. You know, the little blue one that sat on

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the chair, I think it's called like the mocks of bow hoon or something like that. Yeah.

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How PG we keeping this? Because my, my note was, was very specific on, you know, it was

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a comment on what he looked like. We go on. Oh, I called him not bad because he looked

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like an old, like, um, I'm sorry, but someone again at the BBC had to make a decision like

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the mannequin in the, in the first episode, someone made a decision to make his head look

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like that and fair play to him because you know, that's just incredible. But now I agree,

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you know, everything's done practically. You could tell that that that was, that wasn't

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just CGI. That was someone in that costume. Well, do you know who it was in the costume?

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No, I don't. That's R2D2 mate. It's Jimmy V. No, really? Yeah, I swear down is R2D2.

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He makes a couple of appearances as different small characters throughout Doctor Who. He's

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uh, Banner Caffalata as well in one of the Christmas specials. But yeah, R2D2 making

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a little appearance. I love that. Oh, that's cool. No, that's got, but again, that's, that's,

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that's really, you know, kind of really cool. That's what you want. That's um, no, I've

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got to say, yeah, like what you just said, having them introduce all of the, you know,

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kind of just all these weird and wonderful alien species just coming in, it's incredible.

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And that's what you want from some, you know, from something that's a sci-fi genre. Exactly.

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And the doctor's definitely trying to shag that tree, right? Oh God, yeah. I'm sitting

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there like, well, this is uh, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's putting the moves

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on straight away. Straight away without hesitation. Yeah. I'm just like, the weird thing is, I

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was going to say, cause then the weird thing is I'm sitting there thinking, maybe she didn't

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enjoy that because she's the, if I'm, you know, kind of correct, I think he's the first

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one that he gives the gift of air to from his lungs. I think that's the first species.

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And then she, she almost like she, well, she has a scanner, but it looks like a camera.

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Like she kind of like takes a, what I originally thought was a photo, but it's actually a scan.

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Yeah. At first I'm sitting there thinking, well, she's not been impressed with, you know,

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he's gifted air. And to be honest, I think I would either, but maybe the three, you know,

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photosynthesis and everything, but, oh, you're right. Yeah. Maybe she grew an extra bush

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or something as a result of that. Yeah. How photosynthesis works. Just, all right. A little

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bit of homework between now and next week is blow on a plant and see how big it grows.

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And if it doesn't, then, you know, but yeah, no, I was sitting there thinking, well, I

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don't admit, but she's interested in him now. And I'm like, well, maybe that's the thing.

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And well, we all know what happens at the end of the episode. Baby burn. It's gone.

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No. For some reason it reminded me of Christmas, you know, kind of logs burning on a, on a

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wood burner or something like that. I know we're jumping around here, but why would you

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take the woman made of wood into the hottest room of the ship? And he also barely acknowledges

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her body. Well, I mean, it's a part of that, isn't it? Really? He just walks straight

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past it. Barely a moment of silence. Yeah. But yeah, well, he looks a bit sad. He has

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the conversation with the two. Yeah. Yeah. And boys, maybe to almost as like a car, the

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entourage. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, let's not jump around, but yeah, no, it's yeah. So that's

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that gift of air thing. And yeah, I think you're right. He put the moves on straight

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away and it was like, Oh, okay. It's a bit weird, but fair enough. So the other one of

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worth note is face of both. How sick is his animatronics? Yeah, that is quite cool. That

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is very, very cool. It's just the scale of it as well. Yeah. It's mad, isn't it? Absolutely

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huge. And again, they showed it very well. I'm not sure. I don't know if they did it

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practically or if that was a little bit of CGI, but you could tell they the way they

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framed it, they kept the scale of it huge. They always had something to put in perspective

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next to it, whether it be a person or the jukebox or something else to show how big

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it was, you know, that's just cool. I like that as well. Good, because he may or may

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not return in future episodes. Yeah, I don't think he got fried. I saw they were mopping

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the steam off of the front of his cage at the end, which again, I found really funny.

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I was like, yeah, I suppose he would have steamed up in the room heated up. Yeah. So

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he may or may not come back. And then anyway, what do you think of Cassandra? Not a practical

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bit CGI. Go on, fire away. I had some interesting thoughts, you know, actually, as I said, I

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thought that she was the last human on earth. In the kind of the, you know, the next week's

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episode. Yes. She is. Yeah, she's very interesting. I see what you mean. It's a comment on, you

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know, kind of plastic surgery and developing, you know, kind of getting to the point where

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is that point that you have so much like kind of you make so many modifications to human

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that you stop becoming human and start becoming something else. It's a real triggers broom

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scenario, isn't it? Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. And I just think to the point of where

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I, you know, as a human, funny enough, I wouldn't have considered her a human. And I don't think

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Rose did either. That's yeah, that was the main thing. I don't think Rose considered

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her a human. She thought she was an alien. Yeah, exactly. That's actually so Cassandra

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is I think Russell T Davis came out and said, based off Nicole Kidman, he saw her at a red

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carpet event and just how stick thin she looked and the work that she had. And that was his

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inspiration, which I think is pretty brutal. But as a proper kick in the bollocks that one

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isn't it just that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, you know, kind of dependent RPG, we're keeping

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this one, but it was just it just made me laugh because something I noticed and again,

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the CGI someone made a decision, but her mouth was actually see through. So there was just

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a hole. Yeah, now for so every time she spoke, there was just there was nothing behind it.

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For us, we got the back of the throat. It was just a hole with some blips. And, you

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know, I was just sitting there and I put a note somewhere as well. Where is it? I just

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put walking glory hole. Yeah. I mean, that was it. It was just like there was just a

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hole there. And I'm just like, that's very weird. But the moisturize thing made me laugh.

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You know, when she just comes out, she just like moisturize me. And then the call back

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at the end as well when he's like, what are you going to do? Moisturize me? Yeah, yeah.

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But it made me laugh with those kind of leaf blower kind of what you call the moisturizer

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things. They very quickly turn from moisturizer into poisonous gas or what? Is she being sprayed

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with acid the entire time? Or do they have like a switch that I don't know? I didn't

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consider that actually, because it may be where she's had all this modification. Everything

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that's to us, it's dead. But to her, it's nutrients, I guess. She's got to eat somehow,

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I guess. Yeah, well, I just yeah, that surprised me. And let's move on a little bit. So I've

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got a note here. And again, I can't exactly remember what I'm referring to. He says he's

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clearly ashamed of his past foreshadowing chat with Rose. I think that's when they go

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off into the room. And she's like, Where are you from, doctor? Where are you from, doctor?

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And he was struggling to get it out. What did you feel in terms of character development

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for the doctor this week? Well, again, it was the overall picture I saw was I think

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that Rose is there to not only be a companion to the doctor, but also, as I said, to kind

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of provide that human element to the doctor, because the doctor, of course, is an alien.

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Well, at least I think he's an alien. But that's, I think that he needs to learn the

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human side, you know, things like emotions, having compassion, you know, that that's there.

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And I think that was the first display that the doctor isn't actually human. Yeah. Because

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he had no kind of consideration for Rose whatsoever. You know, if you think about it in practical

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terms, he has abducted a human being from the year 2005. Yeah. In the next hour has

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dumped it like dumped Rose on a spaceship, surrounded by all these random alien species,

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shown her the last human on Earth, which looks like a trampoline. And then goes, I don't

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want to tell you about the past. Yeah, very understanding. And it's just like, well, that's

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the signs of an abusive relationship. Yeah. More than I'm gaslighting. Yeah, it is. No,

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it is. It is. And that's that's the problem. I could fully see where Rose was coming from,

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because she was just like, I think she almost wanted to go home. And I think when you he

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redeems himself later with the mobile phone, he does redeem himself later. But on that

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part, yeah, no, I genuinely think that was to that was to show that the doctor still,

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you know, the doctor isn't human. He is going to have some faults that us as humans see

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as a bad thing. Yeah, no, that's that's a really good pick up that sort of comes back

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as well in the P.F.P.O.D. season. So hold on to that for the next four years or however

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long it's going to take us to get here. Talking about the phone, the music in this episode

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in this series is fucking brilliant. I can't remember it at all. But I've got a note here

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that says music grows on phone with Mark. It's just exceptional. And it really I know

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it hasn't stayed with me. It stays with me. Oh, yeah. One of them I know was I think was

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toxic by Britney Spears. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, I was talking about the score of the season,

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which is amazing. But you're right. The jukebox or the iPod. Sorry. What a brilliant joke,

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by the way. Absolutely. I just realized I've now confessed that I really like Britney Spears

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on live podcast. At me, you know, but no, yeah, no, I mean, this is I think that's the

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thing with the baby that the BBC do really, really well is their actual scores, you know,

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the actual kind of ambience music. And he's incredible, you know, and it really does set

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the scene for the end of the world. You know, that's that's that that is it. Plain and simple.

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This episode is the end of the world. And I think they've done that perfectly. They really

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did do that perfectly. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. I've got a note here that

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just says racist and I've no idea what I'm referring to. Can you help me out? Oh, interesting.

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I think it's probably just before he go just before Cassandra Cassandra is racist, I think

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is what I'm referring to. Potentially. Yeah, no, I think she's potentially racist. I mean,

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she says about Rose having a chin flattened and various bits and pieces. I mean, I suppose.

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Well, I was going to say the the thing I thought was surprise, surprise, who did cloked Death

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Eaters are either. But they weren't in the end, really. They were a red herring. Yeah,

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I mean, I think again, having Cassandra is that kind of she saw herself above everyone

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else, that kind of thing. And yes. Yeah. I mean, if you looked at it more carefully,

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I mean, I felt for the red herring. I was straight away. I saw these figures come in

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with the with, you know, kind of the claws and everything. And I thought, yeah, no, they're

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going to be the main bad guy. And it was only when I actually like kind of started listening

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to what Cassandra had to say, I was like, actually, I wonder if she's got something

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to do with it. And it was really weird because they almost do like a double red herring.

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Because when the little scuttly goes up to Cassandra straight away and I was like, oh,

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I knew it. And then suddenly it goes away. And I was like, they really were evil. I don't

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know. Yeah, it's brilliant. It keeps you guessing. And that's a nice little. Yeah, I think she

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says something along the lines of are there are some half humans or something like that,

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or they they dabbled with other races and stuff like that. Oh, this is almost becoming

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like a racist bloodline thing. Now this is I'm the last pure human. I think she said

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something like that. That's it. Yeah. And again, I mean, I wonder again, 2005 was a

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different time, wasn't it really? And I wonder if some you know, now you said that I'm sitting

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here and I think I wonder if Dr. Who does touch on that kind of touch on more modern

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subjects should we say, you know, well, such as identity and, you know, such as Cassandra

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saying when she was a little boy, that threw me a little bit. I've forgotten she says that

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is quite a role reference at the minute. Yeah, she goes on when I was a little boy. Yeah.

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So you know, they really do. I mean, Russell T. Davis is always very forward thinking on

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these things. But progressive on these things. But yeah, yeah, she says when I was a little

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boy, which I just thought was super interested. I had another point. Yeah. Totally. Totally

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slipped my mind. So yeah, Cassandra is brutal. And he flat out just kills her basically.

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He doesn't kill her. He lets her die. He lets her die, which again, my note from that was

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well, Cassandra's death was grim. I mean, that was that was brutal. I mean, it just

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Yeah. I thought the question is, was it actually her death? I don't know. I mean, she's had

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so much surgery that, you know, there is a strong chance that she may actually come back.

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It's another character that may or may not. Yeah. I mean, like, you could you could see

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why they would bring her back. And let's be real as well. Yeah. Even if they just went

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back in time, she'd still be around her death was just at that point in time. You know,

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I'm assuming if they went back, you have 10 hours before she'd still be there. Ah, interesting.

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I could make an interesting development. The best death, the best death for me came with

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the common one. They called him. They didn't call him the other overseer, but like the

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caretaker. Oh, man. The blue guy. That's brutal. That is like, if you actually think about

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that for a second, that is a brutal. That's a brutal way to go. Some birds of death. Absolutely.

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I mean, you know, but the biggest thing I saw now, I don't work in health and safety.

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I work in an office. I don't work with machinery or anything like that. But even I know that

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you have to have safeguards. And if your entire shield can be, you know, kind of put down

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with the press of one button on a keyboard on, you know, where you press other buttons

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quite regularly, you know, imagine you're typing out an email and you accidentally press

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a button and you just open your front door or something like that. Like, you know, instead

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of just going, oh, yeah, backspace, just take out that one. You've opened your front door

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or you've just accidentally, I don't know, you know, you've you've opened the floodgates

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down the road to your dad. You know, yeah, surely they should have had a little key there

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that you twist first and then you press the button to let down the deadly, deadly fields.

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But yeah, like a little cover or something. But yeah, that was an interesting one. I've

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got to say I did feel sorry for that guy. But yeah, he didn't deserve to go like that.

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It's a brutal death. It is a brutal death. Also, why did he need to die? What wa

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